Harmy said:
Hehe, I must say that although LFL using the old master is crap, finally having a proof of it feels like a total victory over all those saying that it will be a new transfer :-)
But in the end, we all lost! :(
I know, I'm being way over melodramatic.
I logged in after 2-3 years just to say this: I happen to lurk here today, and honestly, I am disgusted. Why the hell does LFL put some time into fixing minor stuff in the PT such as Yoda's direction in AotC, and making a new transfer of TPM to get rid of the pinkish tint the DVD had, yet, they fail to fix Episodes IV, V, and VI.
I was born in the 90's. The only way I can watch these films is by DVD. That means I can never see the original films that all of you older people fell in love with, and I am stuck with these bad edits with messed up colors, and I will never know how much of the special effects were originally done in the 70's.
...ugh...
Even with this some people aren't convinced. Remember that amazon review that came up a while back? There's been a guy hanging around the comments for that review and he's just been trying to shoot down anyone who says anything bad about the release. When this evidence was brought up about the transfer this was his response:
"You're right, that single screenshot proves everything!
/sarcasm overload
Who's to say they didn't put the new one through the same "faulty" process. None of us ACTUALLY know."
Does anyone feel like going over there and trying to talking some sense into this guy? =P
1Shouta said:
making a new transfer of TPM to get rid of the pinkish tint the DVD had
Obviously, the new transfer was not made just to get rif of the pink tint. The movie needed it.
Alexrd said:
1Shouta said:
making a new transfer of TPM to get rid of the pinkish tint the DVD had
Obviously, the new transfer was not made just to get rif of the pink tint. The movie needed it.
So did the OT, not to mention the OOT. Now it seems that the new TPM transfer will be the only thing in the set (in terms of actual films) that we don't already have.
Here is a better close up from another video taken at Comic Con:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p99urAvak88
It is all ying and yang stuff anyways.
I am sure we all remember the ugly cell rip that was present when Wedge flew through the tie fighter in the original version.
I saw Star Wars in 1977. Many, many, many times. For 3 years it was just Star Wars...period. I saw it in good theaters, cheap theaters and drive-ins with those clunky metal speakers you hang on your window. The screen and sound quality never subtracted from the excitement. I can watch the original cut right now, over 30 years later, on some beat up VHS tape and enjoy it. It's the story that makes this movie. Nothing? else.
http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=SkAZxd-5Hp8
What's that cell rip got to do with anything?
Harmy said:
What's that cell rip got to do with anything?
Everything!
The original version(which I love by the way) was hardly perfect either.
Tell me, if Lucas were one day to release the 77' theatrical version on bluray, would you want that cell rip left in?(personally--I would!)
For the record, it seems to be in the optical composite and hence be part of that segment which makes(made up) the original negative.
I saw Star Wars in 1977. Many, many, many times. For 3 years it was just Star Wars...period. I saw it in good theaters, cheap theaters and drive-ins with those clunky metal speakers you hang on your window. The screen and sound quality never subtracted from the excitement. I can watch the original cut right now, over 30 years later, on some beat up VHS tape and enjoy it. It's the story that makes this movie. Nothing? else.
http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=SkAZxd-5Hp8
Nope, still not getting why this is relevant.
Bingowings said:
Nope, still not getting why this is relevant.
That cell rip was a defect in the original optical composite.
The compression glitch is an anomaly associated with the 2004 master.
If you are going to bash Lucas for not eliminating this compression glitch/using a new master----then why do you not bash him for having allowed that cell rip to pass the QC check way back in 77'?
I saw Star Wars in 1977. Many, many, many times. For 3 years it was just Star Wars...period. I saw it in good theaters, cheap theaters and drive-ins with those clunky metal speakers you hang on your window. The screen and sound quality never subtracted from the excitement. I can watch the original cut right now, over 30 years later, on some beat up VHS tape and enjoy it. It's the story that makes this movie. Nothing? else.
http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=SkAZxd-5Hp8
Harmy said:
Alexrd said:
1Shouta said:
making a new transfer of TPM to get rid of the pinkish tint the DVD had
Obviously, the new transfer was not made just to get rif of the pink tint. The movie needed it.
So did the OT, not to mention the OOT.
I know. But I'm talking about TPM.
danny_boy wrote: If you are going to bash Lucas for not eliminating this compression glitch/using a new master----then why do you not bash him for having allowed that cell rip to pass the QC check way back in 77'?
Yes these glitches are imperfections of the mediums in which work was done, but I think the complaint is about everyone thinking the blu-ray would be from a new transfer, which would eliminate this 2004 digital glitch. Both sides agreed that a new transfer would be a good idea, but many round here said, that's not in the Lucasfilm methodology, the other side saying let's wait and see. Now that official stuff is coming out, we see the humdinger error and that shows that the blu-ray is a rehash of the 2004. The debate is not about what to fix it's about which version is being used for the new medium. (fixing things is something people would like. Consensus on that list is hard to judge.)
Well, even in that sense the crack is not relevant, because, as you say it is in the original negative and has always been there, while the humdinger glitch is a problem with a TRANSFER of the SE negative - it's not on the SE negative, so it's a transfer error and therefore cannot be compared to that cell rip at all.
I agree. It's not about fixing mistakes at all. The issue is that the Humdinger is just proof that Lucas treats his entire fan base the same - him first, them second. Now the SE lovers are about to get the same treatment us OOT lovers received - the least amount of effort possible. A previous release ported to new a format and then advertised as new release. Shameful.
Anchorhead said:
Now the SE lovers are about to get the same treatment us OOT lovers received - the least amount of effort possible.
Not to mention the lovers of both versions: double dissapointment.
danny_boy said:
Here is a better close up from another video taken at Comic Con:
...
Space Boobs!!
So the Blu-Ray release is to 04SE fans what the GOUT was to us OOT fans. :-/Anchorhead said:
I agree. It's not about fixing mistakes at all. The issue is that the Humdinger is just proof that Lucas treats his entire fan base the same - him first, them second. Now the SE lovers are about to get the same treatment us OOT lovers received - the least amount of effort possible. A previous release ported to new a format and then advertised as new release. Shameful.
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twooffour, nothing about that post makes any sense whatsoever.
The "Humdinger glitch"? :-D I've FINALLY actually contributed something (no matter how minor) to this community! I'm so proud.... *sheds tear*
Ziggy Stardust said:
twooffour, nothing about that post makes any sense whatsoever.
W85H says :
Please allow me to translate for you.
twooffour is communicating the possibility that people who have a fondness for the 2004 version of the Special Editions will respond to the 2011 Blu-ray set in much the same way that people who have a fondness for the pre-1997 original trilogy did to the DVD release of those versions.
@canofhumdingers: Yeah, you were the first person to spot that glitch after 7 years it's been out there, that's quite cool :-)
Oh and thank you Danny Boy for posting that picture, the glitch is much more visible there. Here's a screenshot from the HD version of that video:
By saying "space boobs?"Bingowings said:
Ziggy Stardust said:
twooffour, nothing about that post makes any sense whatsoever.
W85H says :
Please allow me to translate for you.
twooffour is communicating the possibility that people who have a fondness for the 2004 version of the Special Editions will respond to the 2011 Blu-ray set in much the same way that people who have a fondness for the pre-1997 original trilogy did to the DVD release of those versions.
Harmy said:
@canofhumdingers: Yeah, you were the first person to spot that glitch after 7 years it's been out there, that's quite cool :-)
Oh and thank you Danny Boy for posting that picture, the glitch is much more visible there. Here's a screenshot from the HD version of that video:
I don't understand. What am I looking at in this screenshot? Is it the bad looking interface? What was the deal regarding the "Space boobs!" comment? I don't see any boobs.
It was in English and it was W85H (and his photoreceptors are located in his soap tray).
The 93 piece of crap master is still used for the unaltered trilogy. The 04 even more piece of crap master will be used for at least the same amount of time and be re-released as often. At Lucasfilm you create a video master for the long haul, so laden with glitches and errors that people will be forced to upgrade for years.
Great. (hit with Ewok stuffed plush toy) "Just what I've always wanted."
No one making Blu-rays, save for Criterion, Kino and the Eureka Masters of Cinema series in the UK, actually cares about the films they are representing. It is merely a source of revenue. The only cases where mistakes have been acknowledged are where mass amounts of people complain to the studio and enough bad press is generated about the disc so that revenue is threatened. Otherwise, the studio will not strike a new transfer. (Gladiator, Predator, Gangs of New York etc.) Spartacus is an extremely crappy port of the HD master that has been further screwed with. Even Robert Harris can't believe some of the crap they did to it. The Criterion DVD and LD blow it away as far as color and detail are concerned. And don't even get me started on how badly William Friedkin destroyed The French Connection. It's so bad that the cinematographer disowned the film entirely.
Did any of the people who worked on these new Blus ever see Star Wars theatrically? Do they even know what dye transfer means? Or anything about all the various different sound mixes, edits, versions, cuts, tweaks or fixes? Nope. Does George? No not really.
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