Mrebo said:
twooffour said:
Mrebo said:
twooffour said:
Making a prediction that if I let go of my pencil, it'll drop to the floor, is a fact;A prediction is not a fact. And that's a fact, not my opinion. But let us not take another 7 pages to fail to convince you on this point.
I'm not sure which terms scientists, or epistemologists use in this context, but yes, in everyday speech, the "fact" that if you jump out of the 9th floor, you'll fall to the ground, and "might" get a headache, is, indeed, a "fact".
Or at the very least a "certainty", which is what this is all about anyway, isn't it?Surely you meant ornithologists. But don't ask me about what the fancy scientists say, you're the guy who said:
Yea, sure a pain in the ass to find out that the guy you're trying to spoonfeed with basic, common definitions, actually knows more about them than you do (about those basic, common definitions).
Now if you're asking me for my prediction, it is mighty likely the pencil and leaping man will fall. I assume nobody will be catching them. I assume there will not be a great gust of wind that would carry them to safety. And of course I assume that there is gravity. I have to assume that absolutely nothing intervenes between the pencil/man and gravity. And if we can make such broad assumptions, then any number of probable or even potential events become "facts," but it's all done by sophistry. Now if you're saying it is a fact that gravity will exert force on the pencil, then yes. But you went further than saying gravity exists. It is not a fact that the pencil or man will fall to the ground at all. Just highly likely.
I am serious about not wanting to take 7 more pages to fail to convince you.
That, my friend, is a paragon, a PARAGON, of worthless intellectual masturbation and pointless smartassery.
You shouldn't have said "sophistry" in this post.
Didn't I just say "in everyday conversation"? Do you really think it's necessary to point out that the "certainty" is gravity working, not the object falling to the floor? Like, Chelios from Crank falls, but he survives!
Do you really think when people discuss jumping from a building, they'll find it necessary to point out that they're talking about jumping from a building on Earth, not in space? (Now you're gonna come up with the retarded schizophrenic who wants to jump, and doesn't get that.)
Don't you realize that when people say "if you jump from the 10th floor, you're fucking dead or injured, and that's a fact", they ALSO INCLUDE "in case an eagle or sudden tornado doesn't intervene in your trajectory and smoothly lands you on the grass on top of a nice lady" in their reasoning, but just don't mention it because it's FUCKING STUPID?
What would you think of a guy who'd respond "but that's just your opinion, a dove might fly by" to that, and this while being COMPLETELY SERIOUS? Proceeding to go towards the open window?
Now we all know what you'd think, but you wouldn't want to say it aloud, otherwise he'd probably consider you an arrogant jerk who passes his "opinions about sky-high probabilities" as "facts".
Now when you (or RedFive, or whoever) say I state my opinions as facts, I honestly don't know which kind of opinions, or "facts", you're referring to, or in which instances, but I have all reason to believe that something might've gotten mixed up there, because the only basis I've seen for those accusations would be laconic one-liners like "now you're just wrong" - and it doesn't take something to be a "fact", much less to YOUR astronomic space standards, to be treated as "correct" in relation to something that is, for all intents and purposes, "wrong".
So when I do the nerdy, technical term deconstruction thing of the word "opinion", I have all the reasons in the world to do that.
You're basically just fapping around, after saying you definitely weren't going to.