logo Sign In

Harmy's RETURN OF THE JEDI Despecialized Edition HD - V3.1 — Page 6

Author
Time
 (Edited)

my vote goes for the smoke

but either one is ok with me really

 

;-)

"I will laugh my ass off a hundred years from now when the only version of STARWARS people remember are harmys despecialized editions.  They will project it on a 20' by 40' screen with perfect quality."

Author
Time
 (Edited)

My vote goes for the GOUT insert without the smoke. Can you downscale the rest of the image so the difference is not as noticeable? Similar to how you fixed the Tatooine driveby scene in Star Wars?

Harmy said:

 

BTW. I hate you guys for making me do this ;-)

We love you too ;)

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

Author
Time
 (Edited)

That's one thing I'm most definitely not gonna do - I just put it in the video to show how bad it looks. 

The flyby shot in SW was a whole different beast altogether. It was a fast moving shot from big distance, full of fast moving elements, so it wasn't far as distracting as this would be.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

I would also vote for the original shot of Jabba with smoke added, if it's a choice between that and the non-original shot of Chewie. :-/

Just curious- how does the whole Lapti Nek scene look amongst the cleaner shots?

Author
Time

It's in the same video as the added Chewie. It doesn't look great but it's a whole scene transitioned to by a wipe, so it stands out much less.

Author
Time

that looks even better harmy.  I doubt anyone would notice if you had put it in that way and not told anyone.

after all they didn't notice the chewey reverse shot in the ROTJ theatrical reconstruction.

by the way how are you going to handle the explosion of the Death star?  Upscaled gout or rotoscoping?  I'm sure there's something in the 2004 edition that can be used.

"I will laugh my ass off a hundred years from now when the only version of STARWARS people remember are harmys despecialized editions.  They will project it on a 20' by 40' screen with perfect quality."

Author
Time
 (Edited)

I tried but all the elements are missaligned in the SE recomp, so I deblued the stars in the GOUT shot and rotoscoped in the HD Falcon.

Oh and the Chewie shot was in the PDE not the Reconstruction, in the Reconstruction I used the GOUT for the whole shot and I cringe whenever I see it.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

I'm gonna go against the grain here and say I vote for the reverse Chewie. I would have never noticed that if it hadn't been pointed out. Unlike these Jabba tests, impressive as they are. Great work either way as always, Harmy!

Author
Time

OK, here's the final version. It works pretty well, so I think I'm gonna use it. I always wanted to do it like this I just couldn't get it to work, so in the end I gave up, so I guess a thank you is in place to those who stubbornly insisted that it needs be done. And thanks to those who defended me too ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqTZNrwLkUE

Author
Time

That looks a little more subtle that the first try with the smoke. Not bad. BTW, the smoke is a clever solution.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Thanks :-)

Yeah, the 1st one was just a test of concept for which I used one of my previous attempts of integrating the GOUT Jabba into the HD footage. When I decided that the smoke might work, I started from scratch and re-did it with adding the smoke already on my mind, because it meant that I had more freedom with the integration as the smoke would cover it up partially (eg. I didn't have to denoise it so heavily).

I used an actual filmed smoke element, no CG animation. I gave the smoke a bit of a blue tint to match the actual smoke in the shot and added some grain to it to better integrate it into the shot.

Author
Time

Very well done Harmy, you are a grafter, are there any other similar problems ahead?

J

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Thank God no (or at least not that I know of). There are similar problems behind, I wish I could have added smoke to those. ;-)

Author
Time
 (Edited)

This will rock harmy.  can you youtube the DS explosion?  I'm curious to how you did that.

maybe the smoke is why jabba burps;-)

"I will laugh my ass off a hundred years from now when the only version of STARWARS people remember are harmys despecialized editions.  They will project it on a 20' by 40' screen with perfect quality."

Author
Time

Wow! Looks and feels like ROTJ when I saw it back in 1983!!!!

Author
Time

Thanks guys :-)

Oh, and expect a little delay, I just got A Dance with Dragons...

Author
Time
 (Edited)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaerEgBQi8M

The smoke idea is the solution! A little less smoke over Jabba during the GOUT footage would be better, imo.

Lemme' clarify something. We all love what you're doing and we love you for doing this project. Me included. I thought it as a "cop out" because I THOUGHT IT WAS WAY 'BENEATH' THIS PROJECT. This project is too good to have something like that in it.

Praise is good but unconditional praise in light of questionable decisions is bad.

btw, Did anyone notice that the smoke in the GOUT is going towards the left and 2004 smoke is going towards the right? Lucas must have re-done the smoke effect. I think that's another reason why that scene is so difficult to re-edit.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7906/lando62copywu5.th.jpg

Author
Time

No, it's not. The smoke is surely an on-set effect and is exactly the same in the OOT as in the SE. The problem is that this shot is very unsharp and extremely grainy in the GOUT. I can't put less smoke there, it looks too bad that way, I was actually tempted to add more of it. You must keep in mind that YOUTUBE compression takes away a lot of fine detail and therefore makes the quality difference less pronounced. Also, I made some more tweaks to the smoke in this video.

Author
Time

Every time I watch a video Harmy posts of Jedi, it's like I'm a kid again.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

<span> </span>

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Harmy said:

No, it's not. The smoke is surely an on-set effect and is exactly the same in the OOT as in the SE. The problem is that this shot is very unsharp and extremely grainy in the GOUT. I can't put less smoke there, it looks too bad that way, I was actually tempted to add more of it. You must keep in mind that YOUTUBE compression takes away a lot of fine detail and therefore makes the quality difference less pronounced. Also, I made some more tweaks to the smoke in this video.

 I swear its going the other way in the GOUT footage. watch this and go to 0:06. I swear to god the smoke moves the other way then back again when the 2004 footage returns. Maybe I'm hallucinating when I watch that clip?? :0

Either way, I still think its better keeping it that way than 'butchering' it with that Chewbacca backwards shot.

Please don't overdo the smoke. It looks passable to me with less. I think you may be be overeacting a bit to the unsharpness of the GOUT shot. Its not as terrible as you are making it out to be. I don't think anyone here, other than you, has stated that it is too bad to use. Its  noticable , yes, but not that bad.

Maybe tweeking the GOUT shot for lightness and contrast a bit more may help it blend in better....

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7906/lando62copywu5.th.jpg

Author
Time

Lando Lakes said:

Harmy said:

No, it's not. The smoke is surely an on-set effect and is exactly the same in the OOT as in the SE. The problem is that this shot is very unsharp and extremely grainy in the GOUT. I can't put less smoke there, it looks too bad that way, I was actually tempted to add more of it. You must keep in mind that YOUTUBE compression takes away a lot of fine detail and therefore makes the quality difference less pronounced. Also, I made some more tweaks to the smoke in this video.

 I swear its going the other way in the GOUT footage. watch this and go to 0:06. I swear to god the smoke moves the other way then back again when the 2004 footage returns. Maybe I'm hallucinating when I watch that clip?? :0

Well, yeah, it is going the other way during the GOUT footage there but only at the bottom of Jabba's body because that part isn't GOUT but reversed SE footage (before anyone tells me that it's wrong, I already said that video was just a test of concept and it's not done that way in the other two videos).

Either way, I still think its better keeping it that way than 'butchering' it with that Chewbacca backwards shot.

 

Please don't overdo the smoke. It looks passable to me with less. I think you may be be overeacting a bit to the unsharpness of the GOUT shot. Its not as terrible as you are making it out to be. I don't think anyone here, other than you, has stated that it is too bad to use. Its  noticable , yes, but not that bad.

Oh, man, please re-read my post that you quoted starting with "You must keep in mind"...

Also, when you open the video I linked to in that very same post, you'll see the word "final" in it's name...

Maybe tweeking the GOUT shot for lightness and contrast a bit more may help it blend in better....

C'mon, when I said I'd spent hours experimenting with it, don't you thing I already tried all possible brightness and contrast settings.