The Phantom Menace - general discussion thread — Page 8

xhonzi said:

Perhaps not everyone can see that difference.  But 2/4 seems to be going nuts thinking he's the only one that can see it.  I can see it too.

Shhhhhhhhh, don't tell him - let him go nuts!

xhonzi said:

Just a quick note to say I agree with 2/4-

There is a qualitative difference between the "romp" style fun of ID4, MiB, ANH and others and the unintentional camp of TPM.

Perhaps not everyone can see that difference.  But 2/4 seems to be going nuts thinking he's the only one that can see it.  I can see it too.

Heh, now we two have conspired against zombie, eh? ;)
I think PoC is fun :D

Imo, the actually entertaining "camp" (as well as genuine silly "fun") is almost all in RotS - the clichéd one-liners, the OTT villains, etc. - in TPM, there are many attempts at fun and humor, but most of it ends up being either unfunny, or cringe-worthy :D

twooffour said:

xhonzi said:

Just a quick note to say I agree with 2/4-

There is a qualitative difference between the "romp" style fun of ID4, MiB, ANH and others and the unintentional camp of TPM.

Perhaps not everyone can see that difference.  But 2/4 seems to be going nuts thinking he's the only one that can see it.  I can see it too.

Heh, now we two have conspired against zombie, eh? ;)
I think PoC is fun :D

Imo, the actually entertaining "camp" (as well as genuine silly "fun") is almost all in RotS - the clichéd one-liners, the OTT villains, etc.

If you think entertaining camp and silly fun = cringe inducing awfulness, then sure, I guess.

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

xhonzi said:

Just a quick note to say I agree with 2/4-

There is a qualitative difference between the "romp" style fun of ID4, MiB, ANH and others and the unintentional camp of TPM.

Perhaps not everyone can see that difference.  But 2/4 seems to be going nuts thinking he's the only one that can see it.  I can see it too.

Heh, now we two have conspired against zombie, eh? ;)
I think PoC is fun :D

Imo, the actually entertaining "camp" (as well as genuine silly "fun") is almost all in RotS - the clichéd one-liners, the OTT villains, etc.

If you think entertaining camp and silly fun = cringe inducing awfulness, then sure, I guess.

The "cringe inducing" was referring to TPM, in case you missed that - as to the stuff in EpIII, well, I happen to like most of it in that way. If you find that "cringe inducing awfulness", then obviously you don't see any "unintentional camp" in those parts ;)

twooffour said:

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

xhonzi said:

Just a quick note to say I agree with 2/4-

There is a qualitative difference between the "romp" style fun of ID4, MiB, ANH and others and the unintentional camp of TPM.

Perhaps not everyone can see that difference.  But 2/4 seems to be going nuts thinking he's the only one that can see it.  I can see it too.

Heh, now we two have conspired against zombie, eh? ;)
I think PoC is fun :D

Imo, the actually entertaining "camp" (as well as genuine silly "fun") is almost all in RotS - the clichéd one-liners, the OTT villains, etc.

If you think entertaining camp and silly fun = cringe inducing awfulness, then sure, I guess.

The "cringe inducing" was referring to TPM, in case you missed that...

I was talking about ROTS.

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

xhonzi said:

Just a quick note to say I agree with 2/4-

There is a qualitative difference between the "romp" style fun of ID4, MiB, ANH and others and the unintentional camp of TPM.

Perhaps not everyone can see that difference.  But 2/4 seems to be going nuts thinking he's the only one that can see it.  I can see it too.

Heh, now we two have conspired against zombie, eh? ;)
I think PoC is fun :D

Imo, the actually entertaining "camp" (as well as genuine silly "fun") is almost all in RotS - the clichéd one-liners, the OTT villains, etc.

If you think entertaining camp and silly fun = cringe inducing awfulness, then sure, I guess.

The "cringe inducing" was referring to TPM, in case you missed that...

I was talking about ROTS.

as to the stuff in EpIII, well, I happen to like most of it in that way. If you find that "cringe inducing awfulness", then obviously you don't see any "unintentional camp" in those parts ;)

Thanks for saying it again. :-/

Whatever you'll need me to do, I'm always there!

Just rewatched Men in Black, and gee, it's easy to forget just how fun that movie is!
So genuinely funny, refreshing and entertaining. The main characters are spot-on, all the supporting characters are awesome, tons of hilarious quotable dialogue, not a single moment of artificial kitsch that makes you wanna /facepalm, and just enough involvement and menace to prevent it from being a complete OTT farce like Austin Powers (which was awesome and hilarious as such, too).

Just a great, great movie. Independence Day with its hammy patriotism, stereotype characters and occasional melodrama, can get annoying at places, and TPM is just way out of league.

I'm sorry, M0m, think next time before you post :D

toho-scope said:

http://youtu.be/eBKfFycVjeI
news report an hour before the premier of TPM, interviews with GL,rick mcallum and cast, and some interesting views from thosenot going to the film
enjoy

 I want to punch 1999 Jake Lloyd in the face ...

just look at 2:41 & his "I´m a movie star" attitude

Am I a bad person ?

Jake Lloyd the Amazing One Film Wonder said:

He is an AMAZING director! He gets the utmost performance out of EVERY actor he works with! And he is the NICEST guy!

Qui-gon, Obi-wan, Watto, Shmi, Duel of the Fates (music and lightsaber action), real film including grain, the battle droids (when they aren't talking), the score, Ric Olie...there's a lot I like about TPM.  I wouldn't have bothered with TRM if I didn't find some redeeming qualities to TPM.

I'd much rather watch TPM than AOTC any day.  And maybe ROTS too.

Having said that, fan edits definitely cloud my judgement.  It's easy to forgive Jar-Jar when I'm watching a version that cuts him out as much as possible.

walking_carpet said:

xhonzi said:

Having just sat through something* that is argualby (mostly) the Phantom Menace... and this being the first time in 6 years I've watched any of TPM...  Well...

Most of you know I'm an ardent PT hater.  Many of you may also know that I bear no fondness for TPM, Watto, Quigonn, film grain, or any of the other "redeeming" qualities that many see in this movie.  I consider TPM to be the objective worst of PT.

 But I just watched (mostly) it again.  And all I can say is that it is far more terrible than I recall and I can't understand how anyone could see anything redeeming in this movie.

 

it is interesting to hear people say that TPM is the best or 'most star wars like' and cite the film grain as one of the reasons.  I guess its kinda like how some people don't like Diamonds are Forever because it has such a plain look to it compared to the 60s Bond movies.

The difference is that AOTC and ROTS weren't shot on film but rather video, and THAT is why it's nice to see some grain.  There is no grain in the other two, making them look more like video games.

Unless I'm mistaken, they were still using film in 1971.

greenpenguino said:

Kurt said:

toho-scope said:

http://youtu.be/eBKfFycVjeI
news report an hour before the premier of TPM, interviews with GL,rick mcallum and cast, and some interesting views from thosenot going to the film
enjoy

 

 I want to punch 1999 Jake Lloyd in the face ...

just look at 2:41 & his "I´m a movie star" attitude

 

Am I a bad person ?

 

 

Nope. I want to beat the living shit out of him too.

Too late - he's a cool, cynical chap now :D

xhonzi said:

TV's Frink said:

Qui-gon, Obi-wan, Watto, Shmi, Duel of the Fates (music and lightsaber action), real film including grain, the battle droids (when they aren't talking), the score, Ric Olie...there's a lot I like about TPM. 

I understand but I DON'T UNDERSTAND!

Watto is an entertaining (even though over-the-top) cartoon character - he's like that sleazy villain in one of those schlock movies reviewed by the NC, where he says at the end "this one was actually pretty fun to watch".

I'd be inclined to compare him to the Green Goblin from Spiderman 1 - somewhat similar looks, OTT raspy voice and overall pretty silly. NC says he's fun to watch, I agree, and Watto seems the same to me.


Not sure what you have against the score or lightsaber duel, but the two Jedis are mostly rather boring - they have their short moments of entertainment value and personality, though.


Maybe my objectively rational evaluation will serve as a bridge to reconcile your extremist illusions :DD