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What is wrong with Return of the Jedi? — Page 13

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I'd say the flop ratio is about 50:50. For every John Grisham hit, you have a Gingerbread Man or a The Chamber. For every Cider House Rules or Garp, you have a Hotel New Hampshire or a Simon Birch.







And then you have Naked Lunch; let's just not go there.

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It is about 50/50, but the ratio of bad movies/good movies ends up being 10 to 1.
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Generally when they change the characters or the story, it turns into a flop, doesn't it? I am thinking, "The Time Machine", "The Island of Dr Moreu" (sp?) etc.
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Generally when they change the characters or the story, it turns into a flop, doesn't it? I am thinking, "The Time Machine", "The Island of Dr Moreu" (sp?) etc.


How about Lord of the Rings or the Ripley movies?
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Not sure what the Ripley movies are? But I think one of the reasons LOTR was so successful is that they didn't change the characters or the story too much. The most importatn thing I think, is that the screenplay doesn't change the essence of the story. From what you said about HHG, sounds like they are going to take everything that made it a good story away...
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Well they will probably get rid of the silly, funny british humor on that book, and turn it into "Lost in Space - The Movie" kind of thing.

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You are talking Tom Ripley, right? As in The Talented Mr. Ripley and Ripley's Game?
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Yes. I've not read the books, but I know they did some major changes on it. I supposed it made it better, as I kinda liked Talented Mr Ripley.

Another movie that was based on a heavily changed book is Fight Club, achieving an even better result, as even the author himself said he prefered the movie version. Hannibal had some changings too, Clarice and Hannibal were more friendly in the book, and it ended differently - although I love that Ray Liotta's final scene!
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I thought of two more, Blade Runner and Total Recall are both (very loosely) based on Philip K Dick stories... and I just remembered Minority Report is too. However both Total Recall and Minority Report are based on short stories which would be impossible to turn into movies... as for Blade Runner, the book (which was called "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep") was completely wacko. If you've never read it I would recommend it, honestly that guy must have been doing some serious drugs when he wrote that book. Actually all the stuff I have read by him is pretty out there, another great one is "Ubik". Great story, but some very strange characters...
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Hannibal had some changings too, Clarice and Hannibal were more friendly in the book, and it ended differently - although I love that Ray Liotta's final scene!


Dude, Hannibal's ending was immensly changed from the book. They freakin' run away together as lovers in the book. Wacko...
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Hannibal had some changings too, Clarice and Hannibal were more friendly in the book, and it ended differently - although I love that Ray Liotta's final scene!


Dude, Hannibal's ending was immensly changed from the book. They freakin' run away together as lovers in the book. Wacko...



...and it ended differently...
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I hated Hannibal the book and movie. Period. End of quote. Loved everything else Thomas Harris has written (all three other books - talk about your non-prolific authors... 4 novels in 25 years).

As for the PKD books/movies... Yes, Blade Runner is based on "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" (thanks for the copy, Gun) and Total Recall is based on "We Can Remember it For You Wholesale." Don't forget that Paycheck is also based on a PKD novel as are Imposter, Confessions of a Crap Artist (Confessions d'un Barjo), and Screamers. Plus the 1994 Drug Taking and the Arts is based on A Scanner Darkly which is also being remade next year using its actual title.
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i read "a scanner darkly" recently, very good book, although the ending seemed a little contrived to me, was kinda unexpected, but maybe it is becuase i didn't get the hints that pointed to that ending, should read it again.
and i think there was a time PKD took drugs, so maybe you were right Samatar.
i'm curious about how the movie will look like.
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I hated Hannibal the book and movie. Period. End of quote.


Aww how can you hate Hannibal, the world's most beloved cannibal?
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I don't hate the character of Hannibal. Just the book and movie of that title. Stupid, contrived piece of garbage.
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It's not that bad. I've seen worse. And about the movie, Anthony Hopkins is capable of making any movie watchable.
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I once thought that as well. He didn't with Hannibal, though. I'm sorry, but I just hated it. IMHO, of course.
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I once thought that as well. He didn't with Hannibal, though. I'm sorry, but I just hated it. IMHO, of course.


You obviously didn't watch Red Dragon yet, it's worse (yet watchable). The first 5 minutes are good, tough, with classic Hannibal Lecter scenes.
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I saw Manhunter which was the original version and I didn't like it much. Haven't seen Red Dragon. I heard how bad it was and, after seeing Hannibal, I decided I didn't want to further ruin my love of Hannibal the Cannibal from Silence of the Lambs. Red Dragon the book is spectacular, though.
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Yes, it is.

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I'm trying to read everything Kafka has ever written right now, and then I'll read Red Dragon.
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Kafka is an amazing writer. My favorite of his is the one about the doctor (I can't remember it's name). It's a just a short story, but it's great.
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My favorites are the "vulture" short story, and "The Metamorphosis". I'll read "Amerika" as soon as I find some extra time to do so. Unfortunally some of his writings, specially the early ones, have not been translated to english or portuguese... If they were, I can't find it... I highly recomend reading Franz Kafka, anyone who enjoys good literature.
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If you're already depressed, yes, Kafka will help you sink a little bit further. If you aren't, it's not going to do anything to you. In both cases, it's good literature - he was way ahead of his time...
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering