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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!) — Page 148

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adywan said:

rpvee said:

Ady, noble as it is for you to defend the films over there... seeing posts like that makes me question if it's worth it. *sigh*

You think that's bad? You haven't seen shaft_windbags comments:

Most defenders of the OOT don't even know anymore what they looked like. Sure, Jabba and the music-number could have been executed better but so do countless traditional "Toy'n'Rubber"-effects. But the "new scenes" are just the cherry on top and I'm sure nobody would want to miss any of the little tweaks and improvements the movies have now to offer!

I like it that there is ONE valid version and Lucas makes a clear decision how the movies should be presented. If there are multiple versions one only concentrates an the technical aspects of how the movies are made. To me the story is the most important thing.

Anakins Turn to the Dark Side is carefully prepared.

(On the Greedo shoots first argument) The scene is edited exactly the same. They have just cleared that insanely large smoke-cloud from the original release - so you can see that someone shoots AT ALL!

Star Wars is no showcase for actors. I would never expect an Oscar-nomination for acting for Star Wars. (Alec Guinness? Did he not know about that-idiot) That's not its strength - it's storytelling. And in that respect I have the highest of standards. Read some of the books by Joseph Campbell, C.G. Jung or Christopher Vogler and you will undoubtedly see the genius behind the saga.

The six movies are really alike. So either it's your cup of tea or it isn't. It's like your the mother of twins and you hate one child and love the other. It's just not fair and irrational.

And people who dislike the PT don't know the first thing about Storytelling. That's just my opinion. For me the PT totally hit the spot. The acting was beatifully moving, especially in the love scenes and the final confrontation between Anakin and Padme.

I guarantee that when you hear the Star Wars-Fanfare for the first time in HD-Master Audio and see the razor-sharp Opening-Scroll float into perfect black space every little bickering about Dewbacks, Spirits and Yazeems is instantly forgotten and you just say: "WOW! Let's dive into that wonderful World that is the Star Wars Galaxy!"

How is it selfish when a director on each release enhances the movie-experience and invests so much energy and care to give his latest vision to the fans. He could have said "I don't care! Star Wars sells anyway. Why bother?" but he obviously wants audiences to experience the six-part-Saga as seamlessly as possible. I deeply appreciate it. And no, not every director includes every cut and version on the movies release. It's his choice because it's his vision and only the guy himself can judge wether the movies benefit from it or not. All we can do is buy it or don't. So easy!

As I heard the concept of "midichlorians" for the first time, I thought: "That's interesting, the creator of this world gives us new information on how it works. I wonder what part the midichlorians have to play in further episodes?" And I was not let down. The midichlorians play a major part in inheriting force-sensitivity, in finding the chosen one or in creating life...

The "so called fans" on the other hands just thought: "I don't get it - I hate it!" THATs the lack of respect I was talking about - and it's small-minded.

So true! After all, he DID release the incomplete versions on DVD and the bickering hasn't stopped for one minute. Why should Lucas give in to some conservatists if it doesn't change their view of Star Wars one bit. They still would hate it. Sad... His concern aren't the "fans" but the integrity of his work - as it should be. The Movies Lucas is most satisfied with are the only ones I would want to watch!

What shelldweller wants to know is why a visionary storyteller like Lucas who single-handedly revolutionized the way movies are made and seen draws that much hate on to him? Star Wars is a timeless story that has yet to find it's match in cinemas and people forget that it was not corporate decision, a book-adaption or a remake it came out of ONE MANS IMAGINATION! For petty little "fans" who seem to lack respect for Lucas' achievements there really is only one word: PATHETIC!

Why - don't - you - people - get - it - already!? We are not talking about different cuts of a movie (like with "Donnie Darko" or "the Exorcist" Director's Cuts). The Sequel-Trilogy are with each release the most recently updated Editions of THE SAME CUT! The Sequel Movies ARE to a degree of 99,5 % the same movies you saw in cinemas or on VHS in your childhoods - with just some minor Updates. You already got those movies you want and you will get them again on Blu-Ray - just not with muted colors, scratches and aged effects but an updated version of the movies. You should be grateful and not hateful for that!

The Saga should not just be a nod to a particular childhood memory of one generation - but rather a timeless experience that trancends generations!

Its almost impossible to believe that so many Star Wars fans believe all the bull and are almost like members of a brainwashed cult where their leader can do no wrong.

 I just threw up in my mouth a little.

And by "a little" I mean "a lot".

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

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Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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xhonzi said:

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

And by "a little" I mean "a lot".

But in a good way, right?

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kenkraly2007 said:

Look all I try to do is talk about ways to preserver the original cuts of the original star wars trilogy and get them out on blu-ray but each time I do you guys attack me out of no where , saying I say the same thing over and over and  I work for lucasfilm which is not true I am just a star wars fan just like every buddy else and I am 27 not a little kid ok. If you want to preserver the original cuts of the original star wars trilogy start doing something about it instead arguing about the issue.  

All it took was this one post to realize that you are just a god-level troll.

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Is ken's horrible spelling deliberate? Is it a subtle form of trolling for him? Seriously, what literate person with English as their first language spells "preserve" as "preserver" and "body" as "buddy"?

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Is ken's horrible spelling deliberate? Is it a subtle form of trolling for him? Seriously, what literate person with English as their first language spells "preserve" as "preserver" and "body" as "buddy"?

It's all part of the transformation.

They start out like:

Then eventually they turn into:

The fact of the matter is, we are losing him. It would explain why he is 27 and writes like he's 6.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Is ken's horrible spelling deliberate? Is it a subtle form of trolling for him?

He's definitely baiting the board, or he wouldn't keep coming back with his usual MO - bait\complain\apologize\bait\complain\apologize.  However, I'm not yet convinced he's a full-on troll (someone playing a part for their own entertainment).  If he is, he's gone to a lot of trouble to create a back story.  I've seen some of his posts in the comments section of a few New York Times articles.

My guess is that he just plays to whatever board he's on.

OT.comCome on guys, I support your desires. I wish the originals were treated properly too, honest I do.  Can't we all just be great Star Wars friends?...  I love the revised history and with my feigned compassion, maybe you will too - then I get to win twice... SEs 3.2 on Blu-Ray - and - OTers being forced to accept defeat via George's constant lying and revising his Original Vision bullshit.

Blu Ray board - Those guys are terrible on OT.com.  They deserve to be treated poorly.  I'll turn them in for disrespecting the master.  We're powerful over here.  We're right. That's why we won. Woo Hoo!! - pre-order.

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Those aren't actual quotes, are they?

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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I don't remember Ken swearing, so I'm gonna guess it's a paraphrase.

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Erikstormtrooper said:

Those aren't actual quotes, are they?

Is the spelling level above atrocious?

Question answered.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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The reason I asked why he was intoxicated is because you don't spell things that bad unless you are drunk/high or just plain trolling. It seems to be more the latter, but his ramblings do make me wonder whether it is more than that at times.

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rockin said:

The reason I asked why he was intoxicated is because you don't spell things that bad unless you are drunk/high or just plain trolling. It seems to be more the latter, but his ramblings do make me wonder whether it is more than that at times.

Maybe he's just a moron uneducated?

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I dunno. I know a few people who just suck at typing, period.

 

Of course, they're also not very bright...

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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Erikstormtrooper said:

Those aren't actual quotes, are they?

No, just me speculating on what might be driving the guy.  I'll remove the quotation marks.

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I think he started out trolling people for pleasure, and it's changing him. He'll be hiding under bridges before the blu ray even comes out.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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EyeShotFirst said:

I think he started out trolling people for pleasure, and it's changing him. He'll be hiding under bridges before the blu ray even comes out.

ROFL!

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Baronlando said:

kenkraly2007 said: I just can't understand why the issue of the OOT not being released on blu-ray is a big issue it's not a huge deal for me.

Well, apparently you're not in OMEGA MAN and there are actually other people besides you.

Well, I AM in The Omega Man, there is no one else but me, and I DO want the OOT on blu-ray. Kind of sucks though... being the last man on earth there is no one left to transfer it for me. :(

I love this guy's reasoning. If I walk down the video aisle at the store, there is only a relatively small percentage of movies I'd care to own or even see, it'd be kind of silly for me to think none of those other films have any reason to have been produced in the first place. However, one thing that does have me puzzled... grocery stores! They stock all this food I have no interest in eating. I just can't for the life of me understand why they do that.

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I was watching Omega Man a while back, and realized the world ended three years before Star Wars came out. What a bummer!

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Where were you in '77?

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Hey, kk2k7 is back.  again.

Somethings never change.

* exasperated exhale*

 

But cp3s is also back, so that's some good news.  I wish I was back.

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xhonzi said:

adywan said:

rpvee said:

Ady, noble as it is for you to defend the films over there... seeing posts like that makes me question if it's worth it. *sigh*

You think that's bad? You haven't seen shaft_windbags comments:

Most defenders of the OOT don't even know anymore what they looked like. Sure, Jabba and the music-number could have been executed better but so do countless traditional "Toy'n'Rubber"-effects. But the "new scenes" are just the cherry on top and I'm sure nobody would want to miss any of the little tweaks and improvements the movies have now to offer!

I like it that there is ONE valid version and Lucas makes a clear decision how the movies should be presented. If there are multiple versions one only concentrates an the technical aspects of how the movies are made. To me the story is the most important thing.

Anakins Turn to the Dark Side is carefully prepared.

(On the Greedo shoots first argument) The scene is edited exactly the same. They have just cleared that insanely large smoke-cloud from the original release - so you can see that someone shoots AT ALL!

Star Wars is no showcase for actors. I would never expect an Oscar-nomination for acting for Star Wars. (Alec Guinness? Did he not know about that-idiot) That's not its strength - it's storytelling. And in that respect I have the highest of standards. Read some of the books by Joseph Campbell, C.G. Jung or Christopher Vogler and you will undoubtedly see the genius behind the saga.

The six movies are really alike. So either it's your cup of tea or it isn't. It's like your the mother of twins and you hate one child and love the other. It's just not fair and irrational.

And people who dislike the PT don't know the first thing about Storytelling. That's just my opinion. For me the PT totally hit the spot. The acting was beatifully moving, especially in the love scenes and the final confrontation between Anakin and Padme.

I guarantee that when you hear the Star Wars-Fanfare for the first time in HD-Master Audio and see the razor-sharp Opening-Scroll float into perfect black space every little bickering about Dewbacks, Spirits and Yazeems is instantly forgotten and you just say: "WOW! Let's dive into that wonderful World that is the Star Wars Galaxy!"

How is it selfish when a director on each release enhances the movie-experience and invests so much energy and care to give his latest vision to the fans. He could have said "I don't care! Star Wars sells anyway. Why bother?" but he obviously wants audiences to experience the six-part-Saga as seamlessly as possible. I deeply appreciate it. And no, not every director includes every cut and version on the movies release. It's his choice because it's his vision and only the guy himself can judge wether the movies benefit from it or not. All we can do is buy it or don't. So easy!

As I heard the concept of "midichlorians" for the first time, I thought: "That's interesting, the creator of this world gives us new information on how it works. I wonder what part the midichlorians have to play in further episodes?" And I was not let down. The midichlorians play a major part in inheriting force-sensitivity, in finding the chosen one or in creating life...

The "so called fans" on the other hands just thought: "I don't get it - I hate it!" THATs the lack of respect I was talking about - and it's small-minded.

So true! After all, he DID release the incomplete versions on DVD and the bickering hasn't stopped for one minute. Why should Lucas give in to some conservatists if it doesn't change their view of Star Wars one bit. They still would hate it. Sad... His concern aren't the "fans" but the integrity of his work - as it should be. The Movies Lucas is most satisfied with are the only ones I would want to watch!

What shelldweller wants to know is why a visionary storyteller like Lucas who single-handedly revolutionized the way movies are made and seen draws that much hate on to him? Star Wars is a timeless story that has yet to find it's match in cinemas and people forget that it was not corporate decision, a book-adaption or a remake it came out of ONE MANS IMAGINATION! For petty little "fans" who seem to lack respect for Lucas' achievements there really is only one word: PATHETIC!

Why - don't - you - people - get - it - already!? We are not talking about different cuts of a movie (like with "Donnie Darko" or "the Exorcist" Director's Cuts). The Sequel-Trilogy are with each release the most recently updated Editions of THE SAME CUT! The Sequel Movies ARE to a degree of 99,5 % the same movies you saw in cinemas or on VHS in your childhoods - with just some minor Updates. You already got those movies you want and you will get them again on Blu-Ray - just not with muted colors, scratches and aged effects but an updated version of the movies. You should be grateful and not hateful for that!

The Saga should not just be a nod to a particular childhood memory of one generation - but rather a timeless experience that trancends generations!

Its almost impossible to believe that so many Star Wars fans believe all the bull and are almost like members of a brainwashed cult where their leader can do no wrong.

 I just threw up in my mouth a little.

And by "a little" I mean "a lot".

Hehe, made my fuckin' DAY! :DD

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The six movies are really alike. So either it's your cup of tea or it isn't. It's like your the mother of twins and you hate one child and love the other. It's just not fair and irrational.

I've been thinking about this one, and it really makes no sense whatsoever.  Well, I mean besides the obvious that movies aren't children (except maybe to the creator) and are not immune to criticism.  But if you really want to bring a parent/child analogy to this, I feel mine is much more accurate:

The prequels are the favorite child, while the originals are the unfavorite.  In fact, the father hates the originals so much he feels compelled to give the unfavorite plastic surgery as much and as often as possible to make him look more like his much, much more loved brother rather than just letting him be himself.  Isn't that just an extremely dysfunctional family and a really terrible father?

Also, I object to this person's referring to the original films as the "sequel movies" when that's just entirely incorrect (unless he's referring specifically to ESB and ROTJ).  The PREQUELS are the sequel movies.

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I just posted this over at the HTC Forum's SW on BD thread and I thought I'd share my thoughts about the probability of having a new transfer with you as well :-)


Coressel: 

I can't imagine that the 90 second Blu-Ray promo includes the finished product. How many times does any kind of trailer for anything represent a finished product?


Harmy:

See these Jurassic Park and LOTR EE boxed sets trailers, both of them are showing off the new HD transfers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOrOTlOgflM&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddmcFDoCAq8

It's like this: Most of the time when studios do make a brand new HD master, they usually just won't shut up about it in their campaign.


It would make absolutely no marketing sense to spend money on making a new transfer and keep it secret when pre-orders
are already up and the master used is being discussed all over the internet and is important for many people's decision whether
to buy the set or not.

If on the other hand they were recycling a flawed 8 years old master made for DVD, it would make a lot of sense to keep it a secret as long as possible, so that no one is sure about the transfer and a lot of people will pre-order it, because they still have some faith in the studio.