Mrebo said:
darth_ender said:
You know, I suspect that if these movies came out in sequential order rather than OT, then PT, people would see them as inferior but still decent films.
If Star Wars had no history and started with Episode I in the year 1999, then sure that's possible. I'm not thoroughly convinced, but it is a reasonable proposition. The excessive slapstick humor, terrible love scenes, poor acting, and intrusive CGI would be hallmarks of the Star Wars franchise. There would be critics of the PT, as there are of any movies, but it wouldn't be based on precise notions of what it could have been (like if we had alternative visions of the Star Wars universe from other films).
The passion on this board amuses me.
-_- Funny how? I mean, funny like I'm a clown? I amuse you? I make you laugh?
I certainly don't like the PT nearly as much, but I can still watch and enjoy them. In my mind, I can incorporate them into my personal Star Wars canon or disregard them, depending on my mood.
I don't completely fault people for this view. Especially younger people. I fault George Lucas for it :(
After seeing Avatar, my younger cousin who was a huge Star Wars fan announced that he thinks Avatar is even better than Star Wars. Can't really blame him seeing as he grew up with the PT.
Before you feel frustrated by yet another challenging reply, I'm saying you do have a point, but I think it's an unfortunate one. I certainly don't feel animosity toward you. What upsets so many is that we had hopes of what the PT could have been and those hopes are forever dashed. Just as if this had been ESB (still makes me jump a little xD). And some of us are honestly critical of the PT in its own right and can't enjoy it. Just as I appreciate the Holiday Special in its own right by not watching it.
And this is all relevant to liking elements of the prequels since many of us habitually contrast every element with the OT. My point is that this is justified!
As for what I liked: the water planet of Kamino and the battle between Jango and Obi Wan. I thought Watto was a good character. I liked Zam Wesell. I like the concept of a crisis leading up to a military creation act.
Not at all frustrated by what you add. I agree, I wish they were better, but those hopes, as you said, are forever dashed. But I still like them for what they are instead of hating them for what they could have been. Thanks for the nice words.
I think I caused a ruckus by simply prefacing my comments on the Jedi Order with a justification. You are correct, and I agree, that everyone else's opinion is justified. I just tend to get a little strong when people say, "You're wrong, this is how it is," without justifying their view. But I think we all got a fun little debate out of it. Hope you all agree.