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Ian is almost as good in the PT if not better (until the Halloween mask goes on and then it becomes utterly embarrassing).

If you could cut that out you'd have the one perfect performance of the PT.

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@Bingowings

 

Mate--I guess it is all subjective---in my personal opinion-from the moment Hamill  shouts "never!" to the moment that he says"I am a Jedi--like my father before me"-----he transcends anything he achieved in any of the 3 films.

It is all encapsulated in these few minutes--- the physical prowess and grace as he  induces Vader to go backwards--the emotional power as be cascades between anger and control---and finally the realization that he has not submitted himself to the temptation of the dark side and that he has surpassed his own father's failings.

At the time of the films theatrical release----it was a very cathartic moment for the audience---I know---I saw it twice in 83'---and the audience literally sucked it's breath in during this scene(you have to remember that for 5 years prior to ROTJ-1977-82--Vader had relentlessly kicked ass ,so to finally see him get beat was incredibly powerful---something that cannot be replicated by watching the film in 2011 for the 200th time!)

 

 

I saw Star Wars in 1977. Many, many, many times. For 3 years it was just Star Wars...period. I saw it in good theaters, cheap theaters and drive-ins with those clunky metal speakers you hang on your window. The screen and sound quality never subtracted from the excitement. I can watch the original cut right now, over 30 years later, on some beat up VHS tape and enjoy it. It's the story that makes this movie. Nothing? else.

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danny_boy said:

@Bingowings

 

Mate--I guess it is all subjective---in my personal opinion-from the moment Hamill  shouts "never!" to the moment that he says"I am a Jedi--like my father before me"-----he transcends anything he achieved in any of the 3 films.

It is all encapsulated in these few minutes--- the physical prowess and grace as he  induces Vader to go backwards--the emotional power as be cascades between anger and control---and finally the realization that he has not submitted himself to the temptation of the dark side and that he has surpassed his own father's failings.

At the time of the films theatrical release----it was a very cathartic moment for the audience---I know---I saw it twice in 83'---and the audience literally sucked it's breath in during this scene(you have to remember that for 5 years prior to ROTJ-1977-82--Vader had relentlessly kicked ass ,so to finally see him get beat was incredibly powerful---something that cannot be replicated by watching the film in 2011 for the 200th time!)

 

 

This reads like Victory.

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Sure that sequence is powerful but I remember seeing the audience leaning forwards 45 degrees gripped during the Death Star run in ANH both in 1977 and 1997 (as much down to Hamill's performance as the naive farm boy caught up in an adventure as the special effects and the music) and the utter bewilderment that resulted from the gantry scene in ESB.

In all the films he has responded to machines (or actors dressed as machines) and puppets with such conviction you forget and see them just as differently shaped people (the Dagobah scenes in ESB are an acting masterclass).

Mark didn't do anything new in ROTJ, arguably without all the work he had put in before those sequences wouldn't have had any of the impact it had.

If the PT actors had built up as much of an album of solid characterisation as Mark did in his films the final duel in ROTS would have been much less of a dance.

Visually it's dazzling (at times it's silly but only slightly more silly as some of the conceits in the ROTJ duel) but because we don't have the emotional investment it doesn't mean anything.

Mark pulled off what he did incrementally over three films.

The other carried over characters are running on fumes in ROTJ.  

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Bingowings said:

The other carried over characters are running on fumes in ROTJ.  

I agree. This is the main problem of ROTJ, and not the Ewoks.

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theprequelsrule said:

Bingowings said:

The other carried over characters are running on fumes in ROTJ.  

I agree. This is the main problem of ROTJ, and not the Ewoks.

As I said before the reason why the others don't fair well is because they aren't given anything, either in the script or in terms of artistic freedom to develop and maintain the momentum of the previous two films.

As for the Ewoks there is nothing wrong with the idea behind them, just the execution of the idea.

The costumes look like costumes (not like short furry alien people).

They are played for not against effect.

We should feel what the characters on feel on paper.

That they are funny little creatures who turn out to be fierce and noble warriors able to take on and down a legion of Imperial Troops.

Instead we see them do comedy routines which makes the threat of the Imperials non-existent and the final victory more shallow.

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Bingowings said:

Sure that sequence is powerful but I remember seeing the audience leaning forwards 45 degrees gripped during the Death Star run in ANH both in 1977 and 1997 (as much down to Hamill's performance as the naive farm boy caught up in an adventure as the special effects and the music) and the utter bewilderment that resulted from the gantry scene in ESB.

In all the films he has responded to machines (or actors dressed as machines) and puppets with such conviction you forget and see them just as differently shaped people (the Dagobah scenes in ESB are an acting masterclass).

100% agreed on this!

Mark didn't do anything new in ROTJ, arguably without all the work he had put in before those sequences wouldn't have had any of the impact it had.

I think he showed emotional restraint--which I think was intentional given the fact that he was now a fully trained Jedi----makes it even more powerful when he lets loose after he shouts "Never!"

 

 

Visually it's dazzling (at times it's silly but only slightly more silly as some of the conceits in the ROTJ duel) but because we don't have the emotional investment it If the PT actors had built up as much of an album of solid characterisation as Mark did in his films the final duel in ROTS would have been much less of a dance.doesn't mean anything and that is incrementally built up over three films.

Agreed--the OT was a (a very advanced)product of it's time---just like Avatar is now----these moments in time are unique and can never be replicated----it probably applies to all forms of art.

The other carried over characters are running on fumes in ROTJ.  

Again I disagree---in terms of emotion--in 1983:

When Obiwan told Luke, Leia was his sister---it was agreat moment.

When Luke told Leia he was her brother and that Vader was his father it was great moment.

When Luke finally takes off Vader's mask it was a moment we had all been waiting for 6 years(Ok---2 years for me---I saw SW and ESB for the 1st time back to back in 81'!)

When Leia tells Han Luke is her brother ---- another cool moment.

These were characters who were discovering new dynamics and relationships between each other...and we the audience were discovering it with them.

 

 

I saw Star Wars in 1977. Many, many, many times. For 3 years it was just Star Wars...period. I saw it in good theaters, cheap theaters and drive-ins with those clunky metal speakers you hang on your window. The screen and sound quality never subtracted from the excitement. I can watch the original cut right now, over 30 years later, on some beat up VHS tape and enjoy it. It's the story that makes this movie. Nothing? else.

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danny_boy said:

Agreed--the OT was a (a very advanced) product of it's time---just like Avatar is now----these moments in time are unique and can never be replicated----it probably applies to all forms of art.

I haven't seen Avatar yet but I have seen every other Cameron film and only The Terminator approaches the greatness of the first two Star Wars films and then only approaches.

When Obiwan told Luke, Leia was his sister---it was agreat moment.

Really?

When Like told Leia he was her brother and that Vader was his father it was great moment.

Leia's reaction to him telling her Vader is his father is spot on but even Carrie firing on all cylinders couldn't pull off her "always knowing" with what we have seen before. It's not a great scene and Han's responses are right off, more PT Padwan than OT scoundrel.

When Luke finally takes off Vader's mask it was a moment we had all been waiting for 6 years(Ok---2 years for me---I saw SW and ESB for the 1st time back to back in 81'!)

It's OK but it's hardly amazing.

When Leia tells Han Luke is her brother ---- another cool moment.

It's practically the same scene as Indiana Jones, Willie Scott, Short Round and an anonymous elephant in Temple Of Doom and has practically the same effect.

I wish SSWR1's edit of that scene still existed as it's much more in character all around.

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Bingowings said:


I haven't seen Avatar yet but I have seen every other Cameron film and only The Terminator approaches the greatness of the first two Star Wars films and then only approaches.

Agreed with the Terminator reference.

Regarding Avatar--it is a technical marvel.

Personally I don't rate it as high as the OT but there maybe others out there who do.As I wrote in another post---in 20 years time are we going to be dissecting Avatar the way we do the likes of ROTJ now.

Any film ages overtime and with the benefit of hindsight ,any film has elements that could have been done differently.

 

Danny_Boy wrote:

When Obiwan told Luke, Leia was his sister---it was agreat moment.

Bingowings responded:

Really?

 

Personally--I think so-when you watched the film for the first time you wondered how Luke was going to accommodate this information without alienating Han.It also added another dimension of the caring Luke had for Leia.

 

 

 

 

Leia's reaction to him telling her Vader is his father is spot on but even Carrie firing on all cylinders couldn't pull off her "always knowing" with what we have seen before. It's not a great scene and Han's responses are right off, more PT Padwan than OT scoundrel.

Hmm---I see where you are coming from.

I think it added an element of friction between Han and Luke before the battle in which  they are supposed to be on the same side.

 

 

Danny_Boy wrote:

When Luke finally takes off Vader's mask it was a moment we had all been waiting for 6 years(Ok---2 years for me---I saw SW and ESB for the 1st time back to back in 81'!)

Bingowings responded:

It's OK but it's hardly amazing.

 

 

IMHO---In terms of tone it was spot on.

Star wars is not about the characters crying in depressive fits and hysteria---the minute that you enter into that kind of depth----you have an altogether different kind of film.

 

 

 

I saw Star Wars in 1977. Many, many, many times. For 3 years it was just Star Wars...period. I saw it in good theaters, cheap theaters and drive-ins with those clunky metal speakers you hang on your window. The screen and sound quality never subtracted from the excitement. I can watch the original cut right now, over 30 years later, on some beat up VHS tape and enjoy it. It's the story that makes this movie. Nothing? else.

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It has always bothered me that Leia doesn't react over Vader being HER father as well! In the end when the ghosts appear she doesn't seem to care at all about Anakin. I would have added a more stuff about Leia and Vader.

Felt the same about the first film as well.. Luke finding out that his father was a mighty knight instead of a navigator and he's like : Uh ok, wish I'd known him.. Shouldn't he be more intrigued?!

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Memorex said:

It has always bothered me that Leia doesn't react over Vader being HER father as well! In the end when the ghosts appear she doesn't seem to care at all about Anakin. I would have added a more stuff about Leia and Vader.

I agree about the lack of Leia and Vader stuff, but I've always thought that only Luke could see the ghosts in that scene.

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Agreed.  I don't know why she would have seen them at that point.

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Hmm.. It might be true that only Luke can see them, I actually suspected something like that myself (its true!) :)

But since the force is strong in the family and his sister also has it, I somehow still thought Leia might be able to see them. Oh well..

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There was tremendous emotional payoff when we see the ghost of Anakin - I love the entire Funeral Pyre for a Jedi and Ewok Celebration sequence. Yubb Nubb!

Was not the whole modern ROTJ backlash started by that Kevin Smith guy?

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theprequelsrule said:


that Kevin Smith guy

lol

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theprequelsrule said:

Was not the whole modern ROTJ backlash started by that Kevin Smith guy?

?????

Not that I doubt that the narcissistic hater would have done so, but how?

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TheBoost said:

theprequelsrule said:

Was not the whole modern ROTJ backlash started by that Kevin Smith guy?

?????

Not that I doubt that the narcissistic hater would have done so, but how?

I'm not sure how this idea got into my head; I feel it was something I read or was told some time ago. Maybe I'll do a little research.

Kevin Smith did Clerks right? He's the same guy?

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My negative response to ROTJ started for me on my first viewing (1983), sure I was excited by it but it still felt off.

Watching it for the second time it became clear why.

Often since I am reminded of Threepio's line "Here we go again" whenever I've put the thing on.

I think the last time I watched the film with any real enthusiasm was when I took my niece to see the SE (1997).

I was watching with my niece who hadn't seen it before, it was in a theatre and it had some different elements which I was curious to see.

I've seen a few fan edits but none of them have changed the film enough for me to enjoy it again.

I keep the SE:DVD for reference when I'm doing mockups for here but I don't even put the GOUT version on that much.

The other two however I have much more time for.

Of all of Adywan's Revisited projects the one I hope to live to see it got to be ROTJ:R.

At the moment it's the characters I love but in a film I don't,

I want to love the whole trilogy and maybe fan projects like his are the only way I can get that.

I'm intrigued by the possibility of a PT:R but it will take so much work to get those films to feel related to the first two I'm pretty sure it will take an age before I get even a chance of seeing those (though there are some fine projects by other editors in the pipe until then).

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SpenceEdit did a very nice--and pretty radical--re-cut of Jedi that made me enjoy it for the first time in a decade. It still has some drama and narrative problems, but it was an interesting take on it all. But like the PT I don't believe any amount of editing or SE-ing can fix the film, they can only make it watchable, and there are so many great movies out there, constantly coming out, that it's ultimately a waste of time to devote 2.5 hours just to see something "watchable", knowing beforehand it will never be particularly great.

ROTJ just has too many problems, and they are too firmly integrated to simply be cut around. On their own, one or two of them would be digestible, because the previous two films had flaws too. But together, they are too much, even though I love watching the ensemble together again, I think I would prefer to watch Revenge of the Sith.

-Jabbas palace takes up something like 45 minutes of the film. Too much. I like this sequence, actually, but it goes on for too long.

-Too many puppets and masks throughout the film. I like the uber-exotic style Lucas wanted for the film--but show some restraint. The film goes just a bit too far into Peewees Playhouse territory. When the dance scene comes on, even in 1983, the film stopped dead.

-Recycled plot. This is maybe the most uninteresting thing about the film. More cantina aliens, another Death Star battle. The original script which was set on Coruscant was much more interesting.

-The actors have no real drama. Carrie Fisher sleep-walks through the film and Harrison Ford looks like he is doing a parody of Han Solo--and did someone chop his balls off or what? The character has none of the passion or wit of the other films. But more than that, the character relationships have no tension. Lando and Han are best buds again, for some reason. Luke and Han do nothing but pat each other on the back. Luke somehow is in love with his father now, when the last time we saw him he was babbling to himself in a bloody, teary mess "Ben, why didn't you tell me..." Obi Wan just shrugs off Luke's accusation that he lied to him and was using him for his own personal battles. Luke shows up just in time for Yoda to announce he is about to die, and then does. And somehow, Luke was busy for like 4 months and couldn't be bothered to finish his training--which he is conveniently told he no longer needs anyway. And then Sister Leia is introduced and the whole storyline implodes on itself in a hideous wreckage that the film could never save, no matter how it was tackled--oh well, just enjoy the fireworks. At least the final quarter with Luke and Vader was well done though. Those scenes are as good as anything in ESB, but they are sadly inconsistent with the rest of film.

-Ewoks. As was said, the film revolves around midgets in Disneyland bear costumes who do comedy for thirty minutes and then throw some rocks at stormtroopers, all the while taking only a single casualty that gets his own violin solo to tug at our heart strings.

-Bad dialogue. Despite a couple good quips, the characters don't really have the wit or dimension of even the first film. And sometimes they say too much. One moment in the SpenceEdit that added a lot of dimension to Han was removing the line about the Falcon, "I have a funny feeling like I'm not going to see her again." Instead of saying that we simply see Han looking at the Falcon worried, and we know what he is feeling, we get a private moment with him that no one else sees, and it says a lot about who he is.

-The Emperor. Even though he has become a classic in a sort of cheesy way, if you consider the trajectory of ESB this seems a let down. This is the guy Vader is so scared of? Freaking Gargamel from the Smurfs? All he does is sit there and goad Luke to turn to the darkside, as though the mere suggestion of it is enough to turn him. If I were Luke I'd kill him just to shut him up, which is what I take it Luke was doing when he brought his lightsaber down on his cackling face. The ending moment is good though, but even then if that's how easy it was to kill him I wonder why Vader just didn't push him down the stairs twenty years earlier.

-Bad locations. This one is being a bit nit picky. But Endor is nothing too interesting. It's clearly California, and the few sand-dunes we see on Tatooine are kinda dull too. The Red wood forests offered some interesting photography possibilities but no such luck.

-Bad cinematography. After the beautiful, gorgeous ESB maybe we got spoiled. But films like this that rely on design have to be lit and framed a certain way, and what we got looked like it was intended for a made-for-TV movie. The first Star Wars had that simple style of cinematography too, but it is infinitely more interesting, and with far smaller a budget. Part of the reason I find ROTJ dull is because its so damn boring to look at. If the writing and directing are going to be mediocre, at least give me something visually interesting--this at least the prequels could do.

Finally...there's just something missing. I don't know what. Maybe its just the sum of the total list of complaints above. But there's just a feeling that isn't there. When the Rebel pilots are rushing to their ships in the Yavin hanger, or when the snowspeeders are rushing out and everyone is trying to leave the Hoth base--somehow, when a giant fish walks into a sparkling clean rebel briefing room and a CG hologram of Endor materialises in the centre, it's just not the same. It's not exciting, even if the advanced graphics and exotic design should make it more interesting. But it's not really.

You add up all these things: story, character, dialogue, mis-en-scene, entire sequences, cinematography, casting and locations...that's pretty much the whole movie. You can't re-edit that, you have to re-write and re-film from the ground up. The only thing that's not on that list is music, editing and visual effects, which are all thankfully pretty top notch--the editing is a bit quick, but that's more to do with the script. Some scenes, like on Endor, are not nearly quick enough. But taking a boring scene and cutting it fast doesn't solve anything--you just have a fast-cut boring scene.

If I were to do ROTJ, I wouldn't include a single scene from the actual film, except maybe the conversation between Luke and Vader on the Endor base and the "I am a Jedi" moment. I would throw away the entire film and start over. You probably wouldn't see Tatooine, you wouldn't see Endor, and you wouldn't see a Death Star, and none of the character arcs would be the same either. And with that, you wouldn't have Return of the Jedi, you'd have something totally else, a Sequel to Empire Strikes Back.

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SpenceEdit did a very nice--and pretty radical--re-cut of Jedi that made me enjoy it for the first time in a decade. It still has some drama and narrative problems, but it was an interesting take on it all. But like the PT I don't believe any amount of editing or SE-ing can fix the film, they can only make it watchable, and there are so many great movies out there, constantly coming out, that it's ultimately a waste of time to devote 2.5 hours just to see something "watchable", knowing beforehand it will never be particularly great.

ROTJ just has too many problems, and they are too firmly integrated to simply be cut around. On their own, one or two of them would be digestible, because the previous two films had flaws too. But together, they are too much, even though I love watching the ensemble together again, I think I would prefer to watch Revenge of the Sith.

-Jabbas palace takes up something like 45 minutes of the film. Too much. I like this sequence, actually, but it goes on for too long.

-Too many puppets and masks throughout the film. I like the uber-exotic style Lucas wanted for the film--but show some restraint. The film goes just a bit too far into Peewees Playhouse territory. When the dance scene comes on, even in 1983, the film stopped dead.

-Recycled plot. This is maybe the most uninteresting thing about the film. More cantina aliens, another Death Star battle. The original script which was set on Coruscant was much more interesting.

-The actors have no real drama. Carrie Fisher sleep-walks through the film and Harrison Ford looks like he is doing a parody of Han Solo--and did someone chop his balls off or what? The character has none of the passion or wit of the other films. But more than that, the character relationships have no tension. Lando and Han are best buds again, for some reason. Luke and Han do nothing but pat each other on the back. Luke somehow is in love with his father now, when the last time we saw him he was babbling to himself in a bloody, teary mess "Ben, why didn't you tell me..." Luke shows up just in time for Yoda to announce he is about to die, and then does. And somehow, Luke was busy for like 4 months to both to finish his training--which he is conveniently told he no longer needs. And then Sister Leia is introduced and the whole storyline implodes on itself--oh well, just enjoy the fireworks. At least the final quarter with Luke and Vader was well done though. Those scenes are as good as anything in ESB, but they are sadly inconsistent with the rest of film.

-Ewoks. As was said, the film revolves around midgets in Disneyland bear costumes who do comedy for thirty minutes and then throw some rocks at stormtroopers, all the while taking only a single casualty that gets his own violin solo to tug at our heart strings.

-Bad dialogue. Despite a couple good quips, the characters don't really have the wit or dimension of even the first film. And sometimes they say too much. One moment that added a lot of dimension to Han was removing the line about the Falcon, "I have a funny feeling like I'm not going to see her again." Instead we see Han looking at the Falcon worried, and we know what he is feeling, we get a private moment with him that no one else sees, and it says a lot about who he is.

-The Emperor. Even though he has become a classic in a sort of cheesy way, if you consider the trajectory of ESB this seems a let down. This is the guy Vader is so scared of? Freaking Gargamel from the Smurfs? All he does is sit there and goad Luke to turn to the darkside, as though the mere suggestion of it is enough to turn him. If I were Luke I'd kill him just to shut him up, which is what I take it Luke was doing when he brought his lightsaber down on his cackling face. The ending moment is good though, but even then if that's how easy it was to kill him I wonder why Vader just didn't push him down the stairs twenty years earlier.

-Bad locations. This one is being a bit nit picky. But Endor is nothing too interesting. It's clearly California, and the few sand-dunes we see on Tatooine are kinda dull too. The Red wood forests offered some interesting photography possibilities but no such luck.

-Bad cinematography. After the beautiful, gorgeous ESB maybe we got spoiled. But films like this that rely on design have to be lit and framed a certain way, and what we got looked like it was intended for a made-for-TV movie. The first Star Wars had that simple style of cinematography too, but it is infinitely more interesting, and with far smaller a budget. Part of the reason I find ROTJ dull is because its so damn boring to look at. If the writing and directing are going to be mediocre, at least give me something visually interesting--this at least the prequels could do.

Finally...there's just something missing. I don't know what. Maybe its just the sum of the total list of complaints above. But there's just a feeling that isn't there. When the Rebel pilots are rushing to their ships in the Yavin hanger, or when the snowspeeders are rushing out and everyone is trying to leave the Hoth base--somehow, when a giant fish walks into a sparkling clean rebel briefing room and a CG hologram of Endor materialises in the centre, it's just not the same. It's not exciting, even if the advanced graphics and exotic design should make it more interesting. But it's not really.

You add up all these things: story, character, dialogue, mis-en-scene, entire sequences, cinematography, casting and locations...that's pretty much the whole movie. You can't re-edit that, you have to re-write and re-film from the ground up. The only thing that's not on that list is music, editing and visual effects, which are all thankfully pretty top notch--the editing is a bit quick, but that's more to do with the script. Some scenes, like on Endor, are not nearly quick enough. But taking a boring scene and cutting it fast doesn't solve anything--you just have a fast-cut boring scene.

If I were to do ROTJ, I wouldn't include a single scene from the actual film, except maybe the conversation between Luke and Vader on the Endor base and the "I am a Jedi" moment. I would throw away the entire film and start over. You probably wouldn't see Tatooine, you wouldn't see Endor, and you wouldn't see a Death Star, and none of the character arcs would be the same either. And with that, you wouldn't have Return of the Jedi, you'd have something totally else, a Sequel to Empire Strikes Back.

Yikes. And yet...you liked Indy IV?

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Up until the last thirty-five minutes, yes. But that still leaves with 90 minutes of a pretty fun film. It gets away with it because its silly and lighthearted. After ESB, the third Star Wars film could never go that way.

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zombie84 said:

Up until the last thirty-five minutes, yes. But that still leaves with 90 minutes of a pretty fun film. It gets away with it because its silly and lighthearted. After ESB, the third Star Wars film could never go that way.

Which is why ESB, in a weird, round-about way, ruined Star Wars. I believe there was a quote from your book about that.

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zombie84 said:

If I were to do ROTJ, I wouldn't include a single scene from the actual film, except maybe the conversation between Luke and Vader on the Endor base and the "I am a Jedi" moment. I would throw away the entire film and start over. You probably wouldn't see Tatooine, you wouldn't see Endor, and you wouldn't see a Death Star, and none of the character arcs would be the same either. And with that, you wouldn't have Return of the Jedi, you'd have something totally else, a Sequel to Empire Strikes Back.

 It's easy to say what you wouldn't do.  Do you have more on what you would do?

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Yeah,  in a way. It ruined it because Lucas didn't have either the talent or sensibility to go that direction again. He could have, though--ESB could have been the film that took a fun homage to adventure nostalgia and re-directed it into one of the most interesting and touching fantasy dramas in modern movie history. But it wasn't, alas. It did make Lucas take the future films in more heavy-handed "Serious" directions, though, but he couldn't let go of the kiddie-pandering aspect and he didn't know how to make the drama really work. That why, for every film after ESB, you have stupid, child-pandering elements, half-executed "mature" elements that don't mesh well with the aforementioned stuff, and one or two real, honest well-crafted moments of human drama.