...comparing his crap-fest "X-Men 3" to the slightly less successful (although still #1) and less reviled "X-Men First Class."
What a douchebag!
Ratner has always seemed like an uncaring asshole, and this proves it.
Other than being a mediocre filmmaker gliding on the talent of his stars and franchises, I had no opinion of the man until today. Now he's clearly a huge tool.
I think The Last Stand only did so well opening weekend because it was riding on the coattails of X2, which was a big success and generally considered to be the best film in the trilogy. People were chomping at the bit for the third installment because they were invested in the story and the characters.
Then Brett Ratner came along and f'd all that up to the point that afterward, I had friends saying they'd never see another superhero movie again. (None held to it, but the point is they were almost irrationally disgusted with X3). Cut to five years and 20 comic book films later, and I think a lot of casual fans of the genre are burned out, and prefer to wait to see what the general consensus on a film of this type is before they plunk down their money. Suffice to say that The Last Stand did 67% less business its second weekend. The Last Stand probably turned as many people off from seeing another X-Men film as X1 and X2 did the opposite.
In short: Ratner's turd did well at first because X2 was awesome. That is all.
Box office is not everything transformers 2 is one of the highest grossers. As for X-3 it followed in the wake of both the excellent x-men and then x-men 2 by Bryan Singer.
X-3 while a crappy or mediocre film still was better than the even worse prequel wolverine origins, i have not even bothered to see the other prequel.
Havok instead of Cyclops, and they are not related wtf?
Also this prequel lacks the gravitas of the other films because no Ian Mckellen and no Patrick Stewart.
I really dislike they are calling it first class and it has nothing to do with the Jack Kirby inspired comic.
It is possible that a Bryan Singer X-3 could have been worse he wanted to cast Sigourney weaver as Emma Frost,lol. Or it could have been great i mean look at what happened to spider-man 3 when the first films were so good. The studio wanted to sell actions figures so they forced Venom into the storyline.
Also look at Superman Returns and compare that against X-3. We got both a crappy Superman and X-men instead of a good x film.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
Jesus, just give First Class a chance.
First Class may be well a great film in its own right but is it an X-men film ?
Dealing with the issues the comics did and such makes it so, but without the actual characters and no continuity makes it sort of a separate thing like JJ's Star Trek.
I would not say its a bad movie.
But is it the kind of X-men film i would have made, probably not. But the writer and director have a right to cement their own creative vision and comic book fans be damned.
There are many reason's why i despise prequels. Even if the film itself is good, i don't like prequels in general as i would rather get on with the story and not focus too much on origins unless it is just maybe the first film in a series. Like Batman Begins, or again JJ's Star Trek, the second one of course will be when we see more of that characters and universe since they had to be established in that first film.
Sometimes though a director does the movie that establishes the character and story outline and then does not get to do the sequel, as in the case with Superman Returns where the sequel was completely erased from existence and they went reboot crazy.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
I see. (not really)
Continuity is really a pain in the ass when it comes to creating a good movie and story. When everything is already defined you don't have much room for creativity, which is why i don't understand why there are not more original sci fi or fantasy films not from an established property.
You get boxed in by the continuity it happened to the people who did the star trek before the current one, and it happened to George Lucas on his star wars series.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
I'd rather forget the original X-men trilogy. In 'First Class' they referenced the other films but changed a lot of details. I heard somewhere that if it's successful they may completely ignore the others and create a new continuity. Which I'm all for if they're as good as 'First Class'
skyjedi2005 said:
First Class may be well a great film in its own right but is it an X-men film ?
I'd reply to this nonsense, but skyjedi has me on ignore. So instead, I'll just point and laugh at it.
I'm just tired of all these superhero films. I mean we're rebooting Spider-man next year as well? Didn't the first movie get released 9 years ago? Anyways, I only saw the first X-men and I barely remember it. So I'm not interested in this one. If no one can remember the last film not based on a comic book, old movie, or franchise there are problems. That's why I stick with old and foreign movies. At least they can be considered art. I'm guessing this new X-men movie will be considered okay in the long run. I just don't understand why american multiplexes just play crap nowadays with a zillion commercials beforehand. It's just the opening weekend money now.
skyjedi2005 said:
First Class may be well a great film in its own right but is it an X-men film ?
Dealing with the issues the comics did and such makes it so, but without the actual characters and no continuity makes it sort of a separate thing like JJ's Star Trek.
I would not say its a bad movie.
But is it the kind of X-men film i would have made, probably not. But the writer and director have a right to cement their own creative vision and comic book fans be damned.
There are many reason's why i despise prequels. Even if the film itself is good, i don't like prequels in general as i would rather get on with the story and not focus too much on origins unless it is just maybe the first film in a series. Like Batman Begins, or again JJ's Star Trek, the second one of course will be when we see more of that characters and universe since they had to be established in that first film.
Sometimes though a director does the movie that establishes the character and story outline and then does not get to do the sequel, as in the case with Superman Returns where the sequel was completely erased from existence and they went reboot crazy.
Is it an X-men film? how do you define that? It is kinda like the first film...
yes it is kind of a separate thing - like star trek - because that's what the series needed if they were going to keep making movies. Take a look at Wolverine - they had a series of 'origins' movies planned initially.
what would be the point in keeping continuity with movies that the audience loathed?
At the risk of sounding like you're not actually complaining - how would you have done it? what is the sort of xmen movie you would do?
re: getting on with the story - X3 was the end, my friend. Magneto isn't a mutant anymore - and Xavier [the guy that puts the x in xmen] is dead.
Not sure i probably would do Jack Kirby X-men were i in charge, or Chris Claremont.
Maybe First Class is the fresh take the series needs.
With Bryan Singer in the fold as an producer, and Shuler Donner hinting at an X-4 with the possible return of Patrick Stewart, and a sequel as well X-5.
I think they should really do a new series of films branched off from first class and just leave the trilogy alone, as much as i miss a singer wrap up it never happened and now won't properly unless he goes back and reshoots x-3 entirely.
They tried to get Singer to direct First Class and they are trying to sign him for X-4, i am sure they also have to re-sign all the other stars from the previous films except for Famke Jansen and the dude who played Cyclops forget his name. Xavier's consciousness merged with his twin brothers dormant body.
If X-4 happens i think we are led to believe or assume the deleted scene of Xavier's return and the slight hint when Magneto is playing chess at the end of X-3 that his powers are returning and are a part of the continuity.
Personally i think doing more sequels is a bad idea, but its all about the brand and they are going to milk it dry. Though i was and am looking forward to the second Wolverine picture if they can find as good a director as they lost for part II, the guy who did part one obviously is not a choice because that sucked, though i liked it on DVD enough, but the lack of the Claremont/Miller Wolverine tales was felt by most fans.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
generalfrevious said:
If no one can remember the last film not based on a comic book, old movie, or franchise there are problems.
Huh?
Bridesmaids
The Tree of Life
Source Code
Insidious
the upcoming Super 8
Those are just off the top of my head.
Super 8 is a rehash of old school Spielberg, only done by Abrams.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
You haven't seen it yet, for one. (Why am I surprised that you've judged an entire film based on one trailer?) For another, generalfrevious said "based on" an old movie, which Super 8 is not.
My point stands: there are plenty of unique films being made. Not including the wealth of indie films out right now. It's more than a little untrue to say that no one can name a movie that is not based on a franchise, an old movie, or a comic book.
I have to admit Skyjedi has a point, Super 8 feels like a cross between Close Encounters and ET - which means it's right up my alley.
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Johnny Ringo said:
skyjedi2005 said:
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<snip>At the risk of sounding like you're not actually complaining...
*grin*
skyjedi2005 said:
Super 8 is a rehash of old school Spielberg, only done by Abrams.
Super 8 is a rehash of old school Spielberg, only done by and Abrams.
and isn't that the Spielberg you prefer?
C'mon, he doesn't prefer anything.
Johnny Ringo said:
skyjedi2005 said:
Super 8 is a rehash of old school Spielberg, only done by Abrams.
Super 8 is a rehash of old school Spielberg, only done by and Abrams.
and isn't that the Spielberg you prefer?
Yes that is the Spielberg i prefer. But i am not wrong in saying the film is not totally original even JJ Abrams said it was basically a send up of his memories of watching Spielberg films back in the day.
Does that mean i hate the movie far from it i love Star Trek 2009 even though i think it is star trek in name only.
I wonder if Abrams can bring Spielberg around, all we need is for him to work with people like JJ or others instead of Michael bay or modern Lucas.
Many people have said Star Trek is what the Star Wars prequels should have been.
A JJ Abrams directed star wars film would be something, maybe better than a Lucas prequel.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
Oh great, a SW movie with lens flares. :p
(for the record I enjoyed Star Trek 2009 enough to get the blu)
skyjedi2005 said:
even JJ Abrams said it was basically a send up of his memories of watching Spielberg films back in the day.
I'm entirely sure there is a lot more to the movie than that. A stylistic approach inspired by 80s Spielberg does not mean that the movie is "basically a [Spielberg] send up". That's an oversimplification.
Why not simply make a comic book adaptation that was !Gasp!...the comic book?
The next X-Men movie should just be this:
And Super 8 is merely a bad quasi horror film by JJ Abrams that rehashes way too much of Close Encounters. Ooooh how completely not interesting.
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