greenpenguino said:
CP3S said:
Wow, first a Fink clone, now an Anchorhead clone. Ever going to build an identity for yourself Greenie? ;)
pfft no. That would require effort...
and now he's copying me!!! goddammitt!!
Poor little Greenie, woohoo!
*yawn*
well, considering I spent the last few hours napping, I'm not even sure I was fully conscious when I said that....
SEE IF YOU CAN BEAT THAT!!
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Ok now this time I with you guys.
That was a bit of a mess.
He seemed to be channeling RTD there (not quite as annoying but just as muddled).
There was too much going on (Lezzy Lizard Lady and friend Vs Jack could have been a whole RTD Torchwood Season One Episode) in too short a time.
It was fun in places but the big reveal was not exactly a surprise.
I agree with you, Bingowings. I thought the previous 2 episodes were fine. But this let me down. Most of the setup was irrelevant. And most of this episode was setup for future episodes (or another spinoff). There was no real climax. Even the Doctor's grand meltdown ("fall further than he ever has") was pro forma and short-lived.
The blue elephant in the room.
[SPOILER]I disagree, this episode restored my faith in this season. RTD's parting of the ways was one hell of a let-down for a series finale (especially with the Doctor regenerating after just one season), but Army of Ghosts/Doomsday was a really good finale, I'd say the best by far so far. "River Song"/"Melody Pond"... how you can be disappointed with a reveal like that is beyond me!
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It sat better on me the second time I saw it but it shouldn't need to (however episodes like The Stolen Earth which were quite a buzz the first time around became more annoying after a second viewing).
Plenty of room for speculation.
Will the gang meet the Doctor at the rendezvous point on Tatooine?
The Stolen Earth was a thrill because the doctor starts regenerating at the end.. as usual Journey's End was a massive let-down. After all it was the THIRD time RTD had all the daleks spontaneously ceasing to exist in the finale. Well, except for Doomsday, since there's still room for them to come back out of their hole in the void and rage war against the new dalek race (wouldn't that be interesting?) They need to stop writing finals where at the end all the problems suddenly "snap back". And they should do the time-war as an episode with all 4 "modern" doctors; mcgann, eccleston, tennant and smith. Ahh, now that would be interesting...
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So Who is telling the truth Moffat or the Beeb?
Bingowings said:
So Who is telling the truth Moffat or the Beeb?
Doesn't matter if Sherlock is to blame or not, still only getting half a season of Doctor Who in 2012.
Though I've no reason not to trust Moffat, even if Sherlock was the cause of the half season, it stands to reason he'd say it wasn't as not to have fans of one his shows irritated at the existence of his other show.
This is the guy who turned down writing for Spielberg (and more cash) to run Doctor Who and had a lucky hit with Sherlock.
If it were just a case of him not having enough time why not give Sherlock to Gatiss to run and carry on with Who?
It's more likely that the Beeb are fibbing.
The Tories love to put the BBC under pressure and there have been tonnes of job cuts/budget freezes and the sale of Broadcasting House to pay for the freeze on the license fee and paying for the remaining World Service.
It's probably more to do with saving money than allowing Moffat time to be with his family.
Neil Gaiman seems to think the BBC are using them as scapegoats.
Bingowings said:
This is the guy who turned down writing for Spielberg (and more cash) to run Doctor Who and had a lucky hit with Sherlock.
A lucky hit? I cringe when people say that about things that are genuinely good. Luck had nothing to do with it, it was brilliant and amazingly well done and deserved all praise it got. From writing to casting. I couldn't imagine a better job being done of converting Sherlock Holmes to modern times. It did for Sherlock Holmes what Casino Royal did for James Bond. Now, if they can just managed to hold onto that for series two and not completely undo the good they've done (Quantum of Solace, I'm looking at you), I will be a very happy man.
Luck had everything to do with it.
Moffat and Gatiss spent a lot of time together purely because they were both working on Doctor Who and discussed the fun possibility of such a show when they were traveling too and fro from Cardiff.
His wife said to him why don't you just make the thing and stop talking about it.
The BBC commissioned a single one off episode based on the pitched idea and were pleased with what they saw and gave him the money to do three more adventures.
He used the money from one to reshoot the 'one off' episode (turning it from a rather interesting curio into one of the best bits of television last year) and fine tune the concept into a viable series.
Saying something is lucky is not the same as saying it's crap.
If he hadn't been in a number of places at the right time it just wouldn't have happened.
One thing I noticed about Sherlock is that the second episode really doesn't have anything to do with the first and last episodes. I'm guessing that since it was "Created by Moffat and Gatiss", and episode one was by Moffat and episode three was by Gatiss, they must have just gone "We can't just have two episodes, oy you, write us another one to stick in between here."
Great series though. I've been a fan of Moffat for years and this show didn't disappoint (he also did Jekyll, which is just as good, if a bit campier at times).
Bingowings said:
Luck had everything to do with it.
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Saying something is lucky is not the same as saying it's crap.
If he hadn't been in a number of places at the right time it just wouldn't have happened.
By that reasoning, everything in life is purely luck. Everything is about being in the right place at the right time. It is lucky the dealer had the car you bought, lucky Best Buy had your computer in stock, lucky you happened to look at job postings when the job you now have was posted. By this definition of luck, the only things that wouldn't be considered luck would be things you personally deem as negative in your life. I think in this way, the word luck quickly loses its meaning, though I very much think it is an extremely meaningless word in the first place.
I was just saying that I think saying he got "lucky with it" belittles how very well done the show was. Great care, effort, and talent were poured into it and it shows. When a guy like Moffat continuously hits the nail on the head, I don't think you can call it luck (yeah, he has made some failures), but he's obviously worked hard to get the reputation he has and has some great talent.
CP3S said:
Bingowings said:
Saying something is lucky is not the same as saying it's crap.
Yes I believe everything has an element of chance or luck in it.
There are many people who labour for most of their lives to create things of beauty who do not enjoy success in their lifetime and there are people who make a really interesting scribble and pick the right frame and stick it the right window and become millionaires.
Most human endeavor is some degree towards the middle but either way, good is good and popularity is popularity, whether it was more down to chance than hard work.
A lot of the mind work that went into making Sherlock a success started of as intellectual play that doesn't undermine the end results either.
Spoilers!
Oh and a clip from The God Complex.
I really liked last nights episode The Girl Who Waited.
Pretty much a 'Doctor light' story but Karen Gillan and Arthur Darvill really pulled out the stops here.
I should really start watching Doctor Who.
Doctor Who is actually a decent series. Sometimes, it gets a bit too convoluted for my taste and feels like it's trying to hard, especially this last season, but all together, it's more satisfying than most of the shows on television.
I still need to see "The Girl Who Waited." Thanks for reminding me that it's sitting on my DVR...
My recommendation if you want to start watching would be to start with the beginning of the current Doctor (series 5, episode 1 The Eleventh Hour), if you enjoy what you see you can always do what the Doctor does and travel backwards and forwards in time.
I suppose the next logical starting point would be Rose which begins the 2005 revival and then you could go back further or try out the audio series (of which there is much more than the television series).
Some of the novels and comic strips are rather good too.
I actually would agree with Bingowings recommendation to start at the Eleventh Hour. It will help you catch up faster and introduce you to the current Doctor.
On a side note, I watched "The Girl Who Waited" and absolutely loved it. In my opinion, it has been the Sixth Season's best episode so far; it also didn't necessarily feel like a Doctor-lite episode. I thought the make-up effects were great and it had a deep story line. It emphasized the time travel aspect of Doctor Who without feeling like it was trying too hard.
This is one of those episodes that really shows the acting skill of all of the main characters, and it was absolutely lovely. We finally get some long-awaited character development and tension. Seeing the Doctor's more manipulative and darker side was good, as it had been absent for awhile and Matt Smith knows how to portray it well. There isn't an episode in recent memory that had such an emotional ending without being corny.
An aspect of the episode I reveled in was the use of the Eleventh Doctor's theme; it happened loads of times during Series 5 but was generally absent from Series 6. While I do acknowledge it as a gimmick much like the Indiana Jones theme, it is effective. Series 6 on the whole has felt like it tries to be convoluted and this was a nice blend of straight adventure and deep sci-fi.
Gotta agree, The Girl Who Waited has become, along with The Doctor's Wife, one of my favorite episodes of the entire series. All the Series 6 naysayers can go eat a shoe!
My one criticism - WHO THE HELL WOULD PRESS THE RED BUTTON?! Green = good, red = bad, so when you have the option why would you choose red?!
And damn, I was never one to criticize Karen Gillan's acting ability outright, but I was never particularly impressed by any of her performances. But with this episode, she really showcased her considerable talents. I hope that, once she's done with Who, she gets all sorts of work and doesn't fall victim to typecasting.
Oh, and Arthur Darvill was amazing, too, but he's been the one who has impressed me time and again these past two series, so that didn't particularly surprise me.
ChainsawAsh said :
My one criticism - WHO THE HELL WOULD PRESS THE RED BUTTON?! Green = good, red = bad, so when you have the option why would you choose red?!
Well..she does have red wavy hair.
Personally I would hope I would have said, "Which button, there are two?" but I've had a life full of cock-ups like that one to recognise it as a possibility.
It's better than the sort of situation that was constantly happening during the RTD period where you'd have a button that makes an area lethal, casually placed inside that space (once notably twinned with placing the button to un-lethalise the area behind two giant rotating fans).