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Originally posted by: ricarleite
So what's the point, if we'll never live in a world that is worth living in? What's the point, if we'll forever live in a world filled with war and "evil"? Let's all kill ourselves right now, there's no point in continuing this madness called the human race...

That's a rather negative way of looking at it.

I think a better way to put it would be to say that humans are not perfect, and never will be. We must survive because we strive to better ourselves.

Earlier in the thread, you asked what the extremists motivation was for wanting us all dead. I skimmed over a lot of the thread, so if someone already answered, take this reenforcement to what they wrote.

The hate us, they want us dead, they want our families dead, they want our houses burned to the ground (thanks Mr. DeNiro) simply because of who and what we are. Their extreme view of Islam says to them that our ways are not right, and that if they do not destroy us, that our ways will corrupt them.

Example: Do you recall how things were in Taliban controlled Afghanistan?? The women were covered head-to-toe, were not allowed to be educated, had no power, etc.

What do we do in the west (US, Europe, etc.)?
A woman is the National Security Advisor, one of the most important positions in the US government, and she is an extremely educated person.
And what about how our women are clothed?? It would be an extremist's nightmare to visit a California beach.

The Islam extremists are similar to the "bible-thumpers" of the United States, except to my knowledge, the bible-thumpers don't carry out terrorist acts (I could be wrong). They both have extreme views on how society must be run.

One other quick thing: Warbler, you stated that "he lied about the WMDs and the connection with terrorists".

1a. If everyone through your life told you that grass was purple, not green, would you be lying?

1b. if you remember at the beginning of the war, there was talk that many weapons were sent to and hidden in Syria. Well, within the last 2 weeks, terrorists were caught trying to enter Jordan with a bomb and plans to launch a biological strike that would have killed as many as 80,000 people (the target was the capital of Jordan, Amman, I think).
Where do you suppose they got that bomb and the materials for it?

2a. Proof appears almost daily that Iraq DID have connections to terrorists. There were camps in Iraq, and whats-his-face spent time in Baghdad recuperating after an injury (lost his leg??). Those are 2 we knew about even before the war.

Did Bush exaggerate the threat potential? That I will give you.

But , as you said, that does not mean that removing Saddam was not a good thing.