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Post #503190

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hairy_hen
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Date created
31-May-2011, 9:55 PM

Sorry for causing some holdup with this, but life can be pretty stupid sometimes.  I know Harmy's been waiting for me to do the rest of my notes on the colour for SW, and here they are, finally.

The tone of the list becomes notably snarkier as it gets to the end, because by then I was becoming very annoyed at the idiotic incompetence of the colour work done by LFL in 2004, especially during the Battle of Yavin.  ;)

 

28'15: rocks beside R2 are showing up pinkish

Throughout the 'Obi-wan' conversation, rocky backgrounds change colour with the camera angle; in shots of Luke they are nearly white.  In the original they are more consistent (though the general fade and red-shift may influence this).

30'13: this shot is very desaturated.  Ben's robe is nearly black instead of brown, and R2 looks nearly black and white where in the original his blue panels show up clearly.  Many shots throughout this scene appear desaturated, but this one in particular.

Imperial conference: skin tones seem too pink.  Closeups of Vader a bit too blue?

43'29, 43'34, 43'40: a light to the left of Luke is a nasty magenta.  In the original it was normal red.  This light also shows up in the background at 44'45, still pink.

46'43: to the right of frame, pink lights on the back wall are supposed to be red.

Colours in the Greedo scene are odd.  In addition to the scene being too dark in general, Greedo seems strangely blue-shifted.

48'19: This shot of the Death Star had a stronger blue tint in the original version, as did the subsequent shots of its interior.

48'52: Evidence of the SE floating probe can still be seen, because the ground changes colour where its shadow would have been.

Pink flashes and explosions when the stormtroopers shoot at Han in the docking bay.

During the Falcon's escape from Tatooine, shots with the camera behind the characters appear almost black and white, but the shots with the characters facing the camera are fine.

54'24: Obviously giving Luke a blue saber is a vast improvement to this shot, but it seems a little bit oversaturated and the hue a little too dark.

57'02: The remote's laser blast is completely white instead of orange.  (in the shot of it actually hitting Luke it is the right colour again)

58'20: Han's shirt seems to have a fairly strong green cast in this shot.  Occasionally in a few later shots too, but not as much.

Pink flash frames and explosions/reflections during laser battles in the cell bay.

The red lighting in the trash compactor has a pink tint throughout the scene.  It is particularly noticeable in the actual lights above Chewbacca at 1:15'22, for example.

1:16'35: The blues seem too green-shifted in this shot; however, this could be a subjective bias on my part.

1"20'02: pink explosion flash

1'21'28: pink laser impact on stormtrooper and reflection on wall

Pink flash frames and explosions/reflections throughout subsequent laser battles.

Lightsaber duel is problematic because too much blue has been removed from the background (compare to Technicolor shots).  Blades themselves are usually pretty good, sometimes slightly too purple or pink.  Ben's cloak continually changes from brown to dark grey.

1:26'09, 1:26'19: weird blue glow around light in right of frame

More pink flashes in laser fight.  Particularly evident on stormtrooper at 1:26'24.

1:28'24: This shot looks pretty red-shifted.

1:28'25: A bit hard to see since it goes by quickly, but the TIE fighter Han is firing at has a really strong green colour.

The Millennium Falcon's engine glow is often plain white and missing its blue edge from the original.  This is probably a flaw of the SE re-composites, however.

1:32'44: The 3D model of the Death Star was blue in the original, not white.

1:32'52: This shot looks weirdly desaturated (compare to Technicolor photograph)

During the rebel briefing scene, the model of the Death Star is again white instead of blue.

1:37'51: This shot appears blue-cast.

During the Battle of Yavin, the flight suits of the rebel pilots are usually a light yellow-orange instead of the strong red-orange of the original, though not always.

1:38'57: The Death Star had a blue tint originally instead of being plain grey in this shot.

1:39'00, 1:39'05, 1:39'07: In addition to the issue with the flight suit colour, the green on Red Leader's helmet seems really punched up.  It's more of a yellow in the original, anyway.

1:40'08: pink explosion

1:40'14: The turbolasers look wrong here because they are a mixture of green and blue, while in the original they are green and yellow.  Also the subsequent shot.

1:40'34, 1:40'59: These explosions look unnatural because they are pink and oversaturated.

Y-wings dive into the trench: Easy to miss because it goes by so quickly, but the laser blasts in this shot are very screwed up.  The first ones are very nearly blue, instead of green and yellow as they should be.  The second set are completely white with no colour at all.  The laser blast when they actually enter the trench is almost completely desaturated; what little colour is present is a pale blue instead of the original green and yellow, again.  Looks pretty ridiculous.

1:42'42: Very strange problem here.  Gold Leader's helmet is too green and punched up, but the green of the laser blasts going by him in the background are almost completely desaturated.  How did this happen?!?!

Actually, the problem of desaturated laser blasts happens several times during the Y-wings' trench run, both in exterior shots and in cockpit shots.  In addition, the Y-wing targeting computer readouts are green-shifted.  This is very weird . . .

1:43'12: Vader must have decided to redecorate his TIE fighter with a magenta mood lighting theme.

1:43'18: Whoa!  Crazy pinkness in Vader's targeting computer.  Funny, he never struck me as a 'pink' sort of guy . . .

1:43'22: Vader's laser blasts lookin' really wimpy without any green in them . . . and why is the right wall of the trench turning purple, anyway?  Inevitable pink explosions to follow, of course.

1:43'41: Seriously, what is going on with Red Leader's helmet?  Yellow don't get no respect.

1:44'32: Come on, LFL, you had the green lasers going great a second ago.  Why are they suddenly really dull here?

1:45'01: There's that green helmet again.

1:45'08: I really feel like I'm starting to repeat myself with this desaturated laser stuff.    A bit less bad than before, though.  This explosion is a major improvement over how it looked in the 2004 version--kudos on that.

1:45'17: Pink flash before this dude blows up.

Maybe you could substitute the second trench dive for the earlier one, because the laser blasts look much better this time.

1:46'41: Return of the blue lasers from before.  Somehow they've become blue with a green core instead of green with a yellow core.  Yuck.

1:46'44: These lasers are pretty dull.

1:47'09: The grid thing looks too blue-shifted instead of green.

1:47'13: Some major blue spill around the outlines of Luke's cockpit.  Definitely not there in the original.  Must have scewed up while re-compositing the bluescreen elements.

1:47'16, 1:47'37, 1:48'17, 1:48'40: Return of Vader's pink mood lighting.

1:47'36: More of that blue weirdness, this time on the TIE fighters.

1:47'38: Three guesses what colour Biggs flashes before he blows up.

1:47'47, 1:49'05: I can't tell what sort of mood theme Vader's going for this time, because his red lighting is so desaturated.

1:48'41: More bluescreen weirdness, no doubt, followed by a vaguely purple explosion at 1:48'44.

1:48'56: The stuff on the screen here was white in the original, not blue.

1:49'06, 1:49'11: There's that pink targeting computer again, followed by the pink lighting at 1:49'12.

1:49'13: Vader's laser blasts are very dull green, almost white.

1:49'15, 1:49'16, 1:49'19, 1:49'23: Now I know Vader's really got something special planned, because his wingman is getting in on the pink mood lighting too!  Too bad Han had to go and ruin their plans . . .

Hmm, those torpedoes are looking pink too.  Someone at LFL must have a really weird agenda, because this many instances can't possibly be purely accidental.

The white glow surrounding the Death Star explosion seems too strong.

1:50'01: One last hurrah for pinkness before zooming off into the endless depths of space.

I've refrained from mentioning it through most of the movie, but 3PO is looking particularly dull at 1:50'43.

Victory celebration: Luke's jacket is dull yellow instead of a strong shade as originally, while Han's shirt looks white instead of pale yellow.  R2 definitely looks very punched up in his blueness, though that may possibly be excused by his just having been repaired and repainted.  ;)  The white level in the last shot looks a bit blown out.

 

As before, anything I haven't mentioned is pretty much perfect, or as close as it's reasonably possibly to get with the source material.  And may I say again how very impressed I am with the elimination of the CGI and the compositing of the original shots?  With only a few minor exceptions, they're all integrated extremely well.  You've done a fantastic job, truly.

Sorry the delay with this, but I hope it will prove helpful once again.  :)

 

Edit: I forgot to say this earlier, but I'd imagine that many of the desaturated laser issues could probably be solved by substituting the blasts from the upscaled GOUT, since those look just right.  It's probably easier than trying to add colour back into something that just doesn't have it, or re-doing them by hand.