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simple laws of physics...

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
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Not everything has a motivation; sometimes, a killer will kill just to know "what it feels like."

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Originally posted by: motti_soL
simple laws of physics...

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

But the question is, who was the instigator of the initial action? That will be argued by government officials until they're all blue in the face and the world will never get a straight answer.
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No, no, we're not talking about serial killers here. They're not motivated by the "devil" or just for being born evil. Come on conservatives, WHAT is their motivation for doing it?
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Personal fame?
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Come on, all the conservatives in this board! Why do the "evil doers" (as GWB insists in calling them) do what they do? Why? There must be a motivation, everything is done with a motivation, so tell me, what is their motivation for it? I'm waiting...


Heres my answer. As Tryoff the dog says who gives a fuck. I don't care why someone wants to kill the country I love. They are murderous shitbags and every real American wants there ass blown to hell.
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Why is that NO conservative can answer that? Is it because the answer is something they cannot tolerate? Come on, anyone, answer me, what is their motivation! I do NOT accept these answers:

"Oh, they are all evil doers, and evil doers do evil things."
"Who gives a shit, all I know is, kill everyone in the middle east."
"They are psychotic killers, who do it just for the fun of it."

So, conservatives... are you in a "war" against someone whose purpouses you dont even understand? So WHY are you in war agsint them? How do you know WHO to kill? They don't have a suastica in their arms, as they did in WW2...
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Im going farther. Everyone who remotly sympasises with the terrorists is no better then they are and deserve the same fate.
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Now when we talk about ways to fight against a powerful and violent enemy, who's right, Mohandas Ghandi, or Jimbo here?

Come on Jimbo, answer that simple question... what is their motivation? Why do they do that?
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Some religous monkey shit but why the fuck would I care?
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Some religous monkey shit but why the fuck would I care? They think God wants us to die or something. They have no respect for human life. I am severly offended by you trying to defend them. You ovously have just as much respect for the deaths they have cause as they do.
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I do not sympathise with terrorists; however, I think the Bush Administration's "War on Terrorism" is a joke. If Bush really wanted to get rid of terrorists, he would have authorised a covert operative cell to go in and assassinate key individuals in the terrorist organisations, not go public and declare war.
As for motivation, terrorists want to destroy America because of what they see of America. What is the general perception of America and its people? As boorish, self-centred and arrogant (see Fawlty Towers for a rather scathing example of this). Now, those of us who have experienced the world beyond our own borders know that not all Americans are like this, but when the "elected" (and I use that term very loosely) president of the country is a poster boy for everything that is wrong with the US of A, you can see why other, poorer nations would love to take the country down a couple of notches. Just a couple of thoughts, and for those of you who think that I share these opinions of Americans, you missed the point. I know better than to judge people based on a handful of examples, unlike some of you (you know who you are).

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Originally posted by: jimbo
Some religous monkey shit but why the fuck would I care? They think God wants us to die or something. They have no respect for human life. I am severly offended by you trying to defend them. You ovously have just as much respect for the deaths they have cause as they do.


YOU MUST HAVE RESPECT FOR OTHERS RELIGONS
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I think the Bush Administration's "War on Terrorism" is a joke. If Bush really wanted to get rid of terrorists, he would have authorised a covert operative cell to go in and assassinate key individuals in the terrorist organisations, not go public and declare war.

Phew, and I thought I'm alone in my way of thinking... what a relief...

To be able to imagine, what anti-American groups may think we need to go back to the early days of the Cold War. Communists always pictured (yes, propaganda posters included) Americans as power-hungry money-barons, dressed up as "uncle Sam", smoking cigars and counting their wealth - something close to Scrooge character. I'll bet the religious leaders in the Arabic countries use their shady ways of interpreting Koran to convince their people, that the reason for their poverty and misery is the insatiable American millionaire, who lives in shiny skyscrapper... those poor people blindly follow them and accept the holy war - Jihad - as their way of life. They fear not death, for the one who dies in the holy war gets -what? 49?- virgins to attend him in the afterlife

I will always say that Christian Heaven is not advertised enough - yo, men in black, go hire some ad agency!
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YOU MUST HAVE RESPECT FOR OTHERS RELIGONS


Not if that religon wants people dead. Though I believe the Islam religon is not a bad one just that the terrorist are two dumb to understand there own religon.
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Some religous monkey shit but why the fuck would I care?


There. Without knowing, Jimbo gave us the answer. Arrogance. The feeling that the whole world is made of inferior minds who need to be controled with violence to worship them. Basically, these people took it too serious, and decided to do an "eye for an eye" revenge kind of thing. Of course they are NOT right, I do NOT support either sides, but they are messing with a country who shares the same belives. Not religious belives, but the belive that violence is the way. Again, I quote Ghandi: "An eye for an eye is going to make the whole world blind."

Now I pose another question for you people to ponder, but I don't want an answer: who gets more political power with terrorist atacks, the left wing "liberal" politicians, or right wing "conservative" politicians? Think about it for a moment.
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Some religous monkey shit but why the fuck would I care?


There. Without knowing, Jimbo gave us the answer. Arrogance. The feeling that the whole world is made of inferior minds who need to be controled with violence to worship them. Basically, these people took it too serious, and decided to do an "eye for an eye" revenge kind of thing. Of course they are NOT right, I do NOT support either sides, but they are messing with a country who shares the same belives. Not religious belives, but the belive that violence is the way. Again, I quote Ghandi: "An eye for an eye is going to make the whole world blind."


You are such a liberal prick. Peace didn't remove Hitler. Peace didn't create this country. Peace didn't keep this country together when brother fought against brother. Sometimes we must fight. Sometimes there is no other choice. This is one of those times. How dare you? How dare you? try to compare in any way this great country with those who knocked down those towers.
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Originally posted by: jimbo
You are such a liberal prick. Peace didn't remove Hitler. Peace didn't create this country. Peace didn't keep this country together when brother fought against brother. Sometimes we must fight. Sometimes there is no other choice. This is one of those times. How dare you? How dare you? try to compare in any way this great country with those who knocked down those towers.


First of all thank you for the complements, I enjoy being called a liberal prick. Makes me remember who's right and who's wrong.

Peace didn't remove Hitler, but peace didn't bring him to power.

And jeez, peace did remove most of the dictators in south america during the 70s and 80s, it worked in Poland (that famous strike who created the oposition partie), it worked in India ("Why not use Ghandi's ways, he didn't have any weapons and he beat the british empire" - "I'm... not familiar with that.")... But it DIDN'T work in Korea, in Vietnan, it's NOT working in Iraq.

Yeah how dare I make such a comparision! I mean, the US of A murders people all the time, every freaking country murders people all the time, the british empire slaughtered people in India, South Africa and China, France did it in their african colonies, Portugal slaugtered millions during its colonial time in Brazil, no one mentions what Stalin did for some reason, and yet, it alls seems so... justified. Why? Because we live in this side? Because the media tells us everyday our "powers that be" are fighting for good? If our money says "In GOD we trust", why do we break HIS trust in us by killing, if He has said "whou shalt not kill"? What makes us different than them, as murder IS murder by the eyes of God?

And Jimbo don't YOU dare to mention the towers. You had no CLUE of why those 3000 people died, you still don't understand it, and you use the souls of 3000 people to justify even more inocent people getting murdered. I'll talk to any conservative here but you, as you are not yet mature to discuss it. You have seen it only on TV and on the Internet, and you have a childish, distorted point of view, WHICH is not your fault, as you are surrounded by a corrupt one-sided media who blinds you from the truth. You'll forever refuse to accept it, but you've been brainwashed. I'll talk to conservatives who have read books, who knows about middle eastern politics and history, who dosen't spit out what o'reilly and limbaugh tells them to spit out, to those I'll be more than glad to talk to.

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“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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In any war of any kind some civilian casuaties are inevidible. It is one of the sad facts of war. War is not a game OK war is serious. If people thought like you during the 1940s we would be living in a town called Hitlerville. The American government trys to avoid civilian casualties when they can but sometimes they happen sorry. The terrorists on the other hand deliberatly go out of there way to kill inocent civilians. Thats what makes us better then them.
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First thing, I am not a conservative nor liberal. I consider myself neither Democrat nor Republican. I consider myself independent. Second I too hate Bush. I think he lied to us and I think he is a bad president I never voted for him nor do I intend to. Has America made mistakes? Of course it has. I'm not saying that we are angels, all I'm trying to say is that there is no justication for murder. And I know I'm going to get you all ranting and raving at me, but murder is not the same as making war. Vietnam,Korea, and Iraq are wars(maybe not justified wars but wars none the less),The first attack on the twin towers was not war, 911 was not a war, the beheading of an innocent civilian is not war they were murder. I don't want to kill innocent people. I just want these murderers brought to justice. If these people had legitimate gripes they should have stated them. One of the great things about America is that we have the freedom of speech. They could have come here and made there gripes known. I at least would have listened but instead they choose to attack us. That is not the way to solve your problems volence is the last resort, not the first. That goes for the USA as well.

As for Iraq. Were Bushes reasons for going to war correct? no, he lied about the WMDs and the connection with terrorists. However, is Iraq better off without Saddam? I would have to beleive that the people of Iraq would have to say yes. I'm not saying that they are better off with the USA controlling their Country, But I just can't believe that they would actually want to live under Saddam's murderous cruel dictatorship. Does that justify our war to remove him? I don't know. But I think right now whether or not we were right in our invasion, we just can't eave Iraq untill it has a stable government otherwise we risk another Saddam or worst another Hitler.

As for why people hate the USA. That is a difficult question. I think its for different reasons. I think some think we are evil. Others just hate Capitalism and/or democracy. Others hate us because they think we hate them. Some of it has also has to do with religion. But I think one reason that is not often talked about is I think people hate us because its cool to hate us. They think by opposing the most powerful nation on the earth that , that somehow makes them brave and noble I believe alot of you fall into the last category. Its easy to think that such a powerful country is evil but that doesn't make it so. I'm sorry for being such an evil arrogant American but thats the way I am.
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Warbler I do agree with some things you have said, and about bringing those who commited terrorist acts to justice, but what is happening right now is that all those governments are basically pretending to be bringing justice (or should I say "revenge"), but there are other goals they want to achieve (oil for example), and they use the excuse to be bringing justice so they can do whatever they want. Most of the terrorists were from saudi arabia, why isn't there a militaristic intervention there? Remember, who "profits" more with terrorism, republicans or democrats?

Oh and btw democrats and republicans are conservatives, and ULTRA-conservatives. What happened to the workers party, the green party?
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Why do you think Bush LIED about the weapons's of mass destruction. I seriously doubt he purposely and knowingly said things he knew weren't true to justify a war. It was a mistake. Or, possibly, the weapon's were removed from Iraq before the war.

It is frustraiting for me when people say Bush lied. You can't possibly know that he didn't believe there were WMDs in Iraq. I'm sure he thought they were there or he wouldn't have gone to war there. But he did, and we did go, and now we have to deal with it.

Even if there aren't any WMDs there, it is obvious Iraq wanted them and that the government hated America and wanted to kill us. And I don't understand what is wrong with freeing the Iraqi people. But that is just me. I must be a horrible person for caring that the Baath Party was murdering people to make an example.

As for Ric,-- you really need to stop being such a pacifist. Jimbo is right (another thing I never thought I would say.) War is sometimes the only way to fix things. And if you remember correctly, Hitler *did* come to power during peace-time.

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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Chaltab and Jimbo (uh, specially Chaltab, since he's the only conservative here who can think before he speaks), let's see what's your answer on this one: why does the terrorists want to "destroy" america? Why? What is their motivation? And don't say "they're evil", that's just stupid.


Why is it stupid?


I've been gone from this thread for a while. Far too long.

Well, I can't say for sure. They certainly are evil. I suppose it is because they hate us--for several reasons.

One, we helped Israel become a nation again, and we continue to support them as an ally.
Also, we are free. They seem to hate that. And even though America has become mind-numbingly secularist, They still percieve us as a Christian Nation.

I guess the main reason they hate us is that we are not an Islamic Despotic Theocracy.

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Darth Chaltab, one of the few conservatives it's worth talking to.

First, it's stupid because it's a childish definition. There is no evil, not even in SW, there's always a motivation, a reason.

Second, I'll never EVER stop believing in peace. I mean, what is your definition of an ideal world? A non-ending war? I'm fighting for the ideal world, the world I want our children to be raised in.
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I don't always agree with my government . I Just like my country and don't like it when it is attacked and its Citizens are killed. I don't know about your country but in mine Democrats are usually refered to as Liberal. As for the workers party and the greem party they don't seem to get too many votes. Usual its a Democrat or Republican that gets elected