Anchorhead said:
Star Wars77 is all I have any interest in, film-wise.
That's good enough for me. Star Wars stands on its own without the rest of the OT, its complications, most if not all of its controversy and ramping levels of debate to match. My take so far is this: you can't accept the OT without accepting Jedi. Maybe that is why most fans love Jedi or at least begrudge it its place in the trilogy without hate: If you can only accept Star Wars and Empire the bad guys win :(
CO said:
The irony of the PT is that it actually made me look more unfavorably towards Jedi, because you can see the seeds of SW getting shitty in 1983, and it comes full circle in 2005. Back in the mid 90's, I thought Jedi was just a hiccup by Lucas (so I enjoyed the movie with a grain of salt), but now you see things are alot more clear now as to where the movies were headed.
For many fans like myself who love Star Wars and Empire, and think the SW universe gets worse after 1980, that means the SW saga has only 2 great movies out of 6. That is a 33% rate for all you Saga defenders on that new Facebook page who are about to pay 100+ dollars for that boxset ;)
I'm not sure I like your attitude ;) It is easy to see Jedi/the ewoks as the beginning of the end, but it sounds like you are taking the same stance as these "Saga defenders" by acknowledging a saga at all. For me it is easier to separate the PT material than to look more unfavourably on Jedi because of the PT.
I think I even like the inconsistencies, and continuity be damned; that makes it easier for me to FORGET about the PT while I am watching the far superior OT. I enjoy the Phantom's edits as a separate entity to the OT like the Clone Wars cartoon, and to be honest I have seen ROTS twice and barely remember it.
I don't really want to send my own Jedi thread off-topic but I agree with you on one thing - I for damn sure won't be buying the box set (unless they restore the OOT). Also your 33% theory doesn't hold up. As I have scientifically proven above you must accept Jedi to accept the OT :P So that gives you 50% right there. That's a pass in Australia but I don't know about other countries. In the US you need 60% right? :(
edit: Sorry I shouldn't be flippant with you CO as you are one of the fans that I was looking for. I just didn't really want the PT brought into it. Do you watch Jedi at all? Are you satisfied with Empire as a conclusion to a two-part saga? Or do you just get to the end of Empire and go "Meh I remember...Rancor, Jabba, skimpy Leia, Death Star, Ewoks, Lightsabers, explosion. Been there, done that."?