Have a lot of you been asked about your feelings regarding the blu-rays yet? If so, and assuming your reaction is negative, are people surprised?
I ask because I've now had two people approach me about this upcoming release. In both instances, the people knew I'm a Star Wars fanatic, so they were surprised when I told them that I was not, in fact, planning on buying this set when it comes out. I then proceeded to explain the whole OOT vs. SE issue, something which they were completely oblivious to.
I then started thinking how weird it must seem to people to say you're a fan of Star Wars, and then explain why you dislike the films (at least as they currently exist). I wonder just how "on the fringe" some of us are here in terms of Star Wars fandom -- do a lot of other fans dislike the SEs, or are we really in the minority?
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I always think about that whenever Star Wars comes up, because, honestly, when talking to laypeople about the issue, it's almost inevitable that something negative will come up, and I do tend to think about how weird that must sound to people. But even outside of Star Wars, I've always been of a mind that fans should think critically and not just blindly love and support everything that comes out.
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
Yes, I had that reaction just the other day. By someone I gave a copy of Revisited to, too. I told him then that I strongly dislike the changes in the prequels. He told me his 2 favourite SE changes were the new Palpatine dialogue in ESB and Hayden in RotJ. He tried the "good man that was Anakin died..." bit on me, but I had none of it.
Anyways, he just sort of smiled and shook his head at me RE: not buying the BDs.
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
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Yeah, I'll never buy that reason for it being young Anakin at the end of ROTJ. Doesn't make any sense at all. Anakin was never at peace with the Force, let alone himself or anyone else, until moments before his death. Not to mention, they did such a half-assed job of adding Hayden in there, but I ranted about this in another thread last year.
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xhonzi said:
Yes, I had that reaction just the other day. By someone I gave a copy of Revisited too. I told him then that I strongly dislike the changes in the prequels. He told me his 2 favourite SE changes were the new Palpatine dialogue in ESB and Hayden in RotJ. He tried the "good man that was Anakin died..." bit on me, but I had none of it.
Changes in the prequels?
Do you mean the digital TPM Yoda? Or some minor changes from theatrical to DVD? Or...
???
Yeah, I totally screwed that up didn't I? Of course I meant the SEs.
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"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
Eh. I strongly dislike the changes in the prequels too.
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
xhonzi said:
Yes, I had that reaction just the other day. By someone I gave a copy of Revisited too. I told him then that I strongly dislike the changes in the prequels. He told me his 2 favourite SE changes were the new Palpatine dialogue in ESB and Hayden in RotJ. He tried the "good man that was Anakin died..." bit on me, but I had none of it.
The fact that anyone feels compelled to use this argument shows how ham-fisted Lucas' revisionism truly is. ROTJ as a film (and as the conclusion to the SW trilogy) hinges on the question of whether or not such an assertion could be true. Luke insists, "There is still good in him," and Obi-Wan, echoing the sentiments of every Lucas apologist out there, disagrees: "He's more machine now than man, twisted and evil." Of course, by the end of the movie we find out that Luke was right after all, and even Obi-Wan with all of his ascended wisdom couldn't see it. "You were right. You were right about me. Tell your sister...you were right." The new "Saga" approach totally undermines this, which is a shame since it's fundamental to ROTJ's narrative.
Furthermore, the fact that everyone and his grandma loathes, despises, and hates Hayden Christen's version of Anakin kinda mitigates against the "good man" premise necessary for such an argument to work in the first place...
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It didn't help that Anakin looks like a creepy uncle/serial killer who was sent back in a time machine.
I'm probably wrong, but "deleted, extended and alternate scenes" could mean "some replaced OT footage included", no? (They might pass as "alternate".)
(But if so, only in SD, of course. :) )
It is possible. If it does, I might buy the OT set.csd79 said:
I'm probably wrong, but "deleted, extended and alternate scenes" could mean "some replaced OT footage included", no? (They might pass as "alternate".)
(But if so, only in SD, of course. :) )
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csd79 said:
I'm probably wrong, but "deleted, extended and alternate scenes" could mean "some replaced OT footage included", no? (They might pass as "alternate".)
(But if so, only in SD, of course. :) )
I think it has already been stated that the Alternate & deleted scenes would not feature any of the shots taken out from the originals for the Special editions
If they actually provided genuine OOT scenes in Hi Def it would be all to easy to just despecialize the films. Its just so weird how hostile this whole situation is to fans of the theatrical versions, as if George Lucas actually resents the fact that the films were ever so popular. I actually believe on some subconscious level he truly hates the success of the films he considered so "unfinished" - the dude seriously needs a shrink.
S_Matt said:
Its just so weird how hostile this whole situation is to fans of the theatrical versions, as if George Lucas actually resents the fact that the films were ever so popular. I actually believe on some subconscious level he truly hates the success of the films he considered so "unfinished" - the dude seriously needs a shrink.
That's been my take since all this bullshit started years ago. First his excuse was "the films are ruined, it's not possible to release the original anymore". Once it was widely known that there were excellent prints that could be used, he switched his excuse to "it's cost prohibitive". A few companies volunteer to do it for free, so now he's moved to completely ignoring the fans who want the originals and then launches his "Facebook will prove that I'm right" cult.
His behavior as far back as 1980 was an early indicator of who he really is.
When did they say that?adywan said:
I think it has already been stated that the Alternate & deleted scenes would not feature any of the shots taken out from the originals for the Special editions
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Yeah, I'd kind of like a source for that too. I've assumed it wouldn't have them, because then that would be just like releasing a Build-Your-Own-OOT in High Definition kit... which when you really think about it is kind of pathetic that this would be a too good to be true scenario, yet really is. I was still keeping a slim glimmer of hope it might...
Those obsolete, deleted scenes from the rough draft were considered for HD scanning and inclusion in this set, but it quickly became apparent that such inclusion would leave no room for the 91-minute documentary on Star Wars spoofs (in 3-d!), so George had to put his foot down. Priorities, people.*
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Doubleofive wrote:
When did they say that?adywan said:
I think it has already been stated that the Alternate & deleted scenes would not feature any of the shots taken out from the originals for the Special editions
Yeah I would assume that most of the 'Alternative' scenes would be coming directly from the 2006s.
Akwat Kbrana said:
Those obsolete, deleted scenes from the rough draft were considered for HD scanning and inclusion in this set, but it quickly became apparent that such inclusion would leave no room for the 91-minute documentary on Star Wars spoofs (in 3-d!), so George had to put his foot down. Priorities, people.
Can we get citations on this kind of claim or clear notice that this is a joke? The level of conspiracy-theory, demanding-answers, anger, and more around here is such that posts like this can quickly become believed.
*sigh*
Ok, a disclaimer has been added for the benefit of the stodgy.
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timdiggerm said:
Akwat Kbrana said:
Those obsolete, deleted scenes from the rough draft were considered for HD scanning and inclusion in this set, but it quickly became apparent that such inclusion would leave no room for the 91-minute documentary on Star Wars spoofs (in 3-d!), so George had to put his foot down. Priorities, people.
Can we get citations on this kind of claim or clear notice that this is a joke? The level of conspiracy-theory, demanding-answers, anger, and more around here is such that posts like this can quickly become believed.
This makes me depressed...
Oops, wrong thread.
I'm stodgy! Yesssssssss
The amazon.com page makes me happy, the review voted "most helpful" is an actual break-down as to why the set will be a disappointment! It's on the main page for the set here. Don't think it was one of us who wrote it, but obviously the guy know his stuff! This is a good sign.
edit: the guy even refers a person to Zombie's "secret history of star wars" page in one of the further comments.
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I'll never understand why they allow reviews of a product that hasn't been released yet.
Amazon combined the separate DVD and Blu ray reviews to fix the low rating of the star wars original trilogy blu rays it would seem since the rating was like 2 stars and declining.
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