The thing that makes it kind of impossible to talk to those guys is this notion that there's a "double standard" like it's the new civil rights movement or some shit. The old trilogy gets a pass on things that the new one doesn't even though they are really the same, etc.. Why does this "double standard" exist? Out of some mysterious axe to grind, I guess who the fuck knows. (And hey, let's say it's true, and people have their initial reaction but then articulate it improperly. Now what? Hold them in contempt of Star Wars Court?)