rofl wow looking back it was a rocky road. but i have never been a quitter when it comes to hobby,s. thanks for posting those links imperial fighter. i altered the first post because it felt no longer relevant in the grand scheme of the thread. i am very thankful for the help i received from various hobbyist,s on the truly confusing hurdles i had to overcome. and it seems to me i dredged up a lot of technical info that was not really listed in any posts on this forum or in the sticky,s i have never done a tutorial thread before but i feel the forum could benefit from some more sticky threads on the subject of technical troubleshooting and fanediting standards. maybe a submit for approval thread. that forum goers can post how to,s on. just an idea but i think more people would fan edit if they had a instructional bible to refer to.