^ True. They are completely unrelated. Both are services. You decide what you want and what you don't want.

For the record, I don't have an issue with paying to use forums or see content. I've done it before, I'll do it again.

You just have to decide if the product is worth the price. If Jay decided to start charging a yearly fee, I'd pay. It's worth it to me for the content and the quality of conversations.

If Lucas were honest and offered something that meant something to me emotionally, I would pay. It's a moot point now, but I would have if things had turned out very differently.