The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 215

SilverKey said:

Yep, worth thinking American Hominid. To take your idea a little further: why not use the prequels as flashbacks and integrate them into the OT?

Is it radical if someone is working on it? ;-)

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Redemption-Trilogy-New-clips/topic/10028/

If it's got a thread of its own, it's radical :p Thanks for the tip Frink.

i still don't get what the deal is with changing Naboo to Alderaan. What do people have against Naboo?

WhatsMyName said:

i still don't get what the deal is with changing Naboo to Alderaan. What do people have against Naboo?

It's probably because of dopes like Panaka.

I've come with this a couple of times and I think it's time to bring it to debate once again.

Is anakin supposed to be a known public figure in the PT? I think he is, however, other people think he's not.

Either you think one or the other, this might have consequences in the next episodes...If Anakin wasn't THAT known, well, the OT would be fine but the believables reasons for Anakins arrogancy are almost reduced to the half in the PT.Anakin being famous  would contribute to his fall. that's a PT fact for me. However, if he was famous in the PT, he should be some how remembered in the OT.

There's a hole in the saga on that matter...does the people know he's vader? how does tarkin know obiwan was his master?  The imperials seems to know Vader was a Jedi once... yet the Jedi's were traitors but no one ever said a thing so I guess they new that him and the Emperor were dark side users?

If people didn't know that Anakin=Vader, I assume he was supposed to be a "Jedi traitor" who died during the order 66..Anakin never ceased to be a great guy for the ones who are standing for a return to the republic order.

Well, here's the thing:

If he was a JEDI, who fought for the REPUBLIC, and was a warrior of reknown who fell as a VICTIM of the Empire taking over... wouldn't the Rebels in the OT keep the "memory of Anakin" alive? And what's more,  wouldn't they put the "great Jedi warrior" as a referent for them?

I guess they would. What's more, I guess they should, for it would be a nice asset to the saga the fact that the rebels are actually fighting against their hero. I think that having Obiwan and Yoda be the only ones that could speak about such a great and public figure as Anakin was supposed to be in his golden years, is just weird.

So ressuming, what do you think of this? If you put something like "your father was a great warrior kid, If he was here he'd make somethings a lot easier to us" before the attack on the DS would be counterproductive?, or even later, in ESB??

How would affect that Luke's character?? Perhaps Luke's hyper fast escalade in the Rebels jerarchy was half on his own merit and half on his fathers reputation?

Mithrandir said:

So ressuming, what do you think of this? If you put something like "your father was a great warrior kid, If he was here he'd make somethings a lot easier to us" before the attack on the DS would be counterproductive?, or even later, in ESB??

Nice idea. If I remember correctly, there was some dialogue cut from the Biggs scene added back in the SE where another pilot says that he knew Luke's father and he was a good pilot. I seem to recall watching it somewhere a long time ago although this could be a false memory, like the grappling hook.

yes, it actually was in the theatrical pre-SE release... but I meant to insert even more references to Anakin, remember that in the rebels mind, since anakin died as a Jedi, he never ceased to be a great guy, and yet a hero and someone who they're convinced would join their cause.

So yes, that line is fine tho it seems to be a little odd now. It should be a deeper reference to Anakin... More of an astonishment... not something "hey I fought with your father" but more a "what? truly did he have a son? wtf?, u just can't measure how helpful it'd be if he was here now". or something like that, to elevate Anakin Skywalker to the status of Republic Legend.

this never crossed my mine. All i know is that most people think he was killed during the Jedi purge.

Officially he was. That's why I said that for a rebel, Anakin died being a good guy who fought for the Republic.

 The point is whether Anakin was famous enough to become a referent or if he was just some random Jedi... I mean, a referent from past times, just as Che Guevara is for Communist Youths.

So here's the novelisation stuff about Anakin and ObiWan being the Lennon-McCartney of their time. (this reminds me strongly my suggestion of making them rely and worry about each other a little more in an edit of ROTS)

Younglings across the galaxy know their names, know everything
about them, follow their exploits as though they are sports
heroes instead of warriors in a desperate battle to save civilization.
Even grown-ups are not immune; it's not uncommon for an
exasperated parent to ask, when faced with offspring who have
just tried to pull off one of the spectacularly dangerous bits of
foolishness that are the stock-in-trade of high-spirited younglings
everywhere, So which were you supposed to be, Kenobi or Skywalker?
Kenobi would rather talk than fight, but when there is fighting
to be done, few can match him. Skywalker is the master of audacity;
his intensity, boldness, and sheer jaw-dropping luck are the perfect
complement to Kenobi's deliberate, balanced steadiness. Together,
they are a Jedi hammer that has crushed Separatist infestations on
scores of worlds.
All the younglings watching the battle in Coruscant's sky
know it: when Anakin and Obi-Wan get there, those dirty Seppers
are going to wish they'd stayed in bed today. (...)

The adults know that legendary heroes are merely legends, and
not heroes at all.These adults can take no comfort from their younglings. Palpatine is captured. Grievous will escape. The Republic will fall. No
mere human beings can turn this tide. No mere human beings
would even try. Not even Kenobi and Skywalker.
And so it is that these adults across the galaxy watch the
HoloNet with ashes where their hearts should be.
Ashes because they can't see two prismatic bursts of realspace
reversion, far out beyond the planet's gravity well; because they
can't see a pair of starfighters crisply jettison hyperdrive rings and
streak into the storm of Separatist vulture fighters with all guns
blazing.
A pair of starfighters. Jedi starfighters. Only two.
Two is enough.
Two is enough because the adults are wrong, and their
younglings are right.
Though this is the end of the age of heroes, it has saved its best
for last.

 

Well, i'm assuming over time the name Anakin was forgotten. Plus all the rebels were in diapers at the time of the fall of the republic. And Obi-Wan just wants to forget it, it seems.

Which seems to be a little hole in the plot. An important one? no. But it''s a hole that's filled with petroleum and could be exploited in a radical edit: the public relation (specially through the eyes of the rebels) of the old legendary Anakin Skywalker, and his son, who brought A New Hope to the galaxy ;)

So, you're saying Anakin could possibly be used as a symbol for the Rebellion? am i right in my assumption

Yes. I'm saying that if the saga was filmed from TPM to ROTJ, possibly Anakin and ObiWan both could have been symbols for the rebellion, since they were the latest great heros of the Republic.

I think it's an idea that should be counted when someone approaches a radical edit of both the PT and the OT.

TV's Frink said:

SilverKey said:

Yep, worth thinking American Hominid. To take your idea a little further: why not use the prequels as flashbacks and integrate them into the OT?

Is it radical if someone is working on it? ;-)

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Redemption-Trilogy-New-clips/topic/10028/

Thank ya kind sir!

This may be yesterdays news to some readers but I found this rather fun splice of the N64 and Xbox Naboo Starfighter games and the footage from TPM which has lots of great ideas in it.

The obvious one would be to add more space footage and give the fighters a systematic plan of attack (the Death Star battle had a clear structure to it which added tension when we saw fighters shot down trying to get through each level of the battle the current version of the battle seems to chaotic to care about).

Also the editor has removed the Jedi/Sith battle from the sequence entirely which makes the space battle seem more important and less of an adjunct to the other battles in the finale. I've long thought that the separating some of the inter-cutting conflicts would actual make each one easier to follow and carry more emotional weight so rather than crossing from one to the other one should follow the other in a logical fashion.

If this extended version (with many game elements which don't really seem to fit the film and all of Anakin's stupid moments) was seen as a rough animatic of an extended version it could be a useful guide to a better Episode One space battle which could then be trimmed to make Anakin seem like a rogue element thrown into a battle fought by competent pilots following a clear plan against high odds.

Anakin is to this battle could be what Han was to the Death Star Battle especially if he blows the thing up on purpose, not by accidentally hitting all the buttons at once.

There's some merit in that video, and I agree totally that you get more invested in the battle when it is shown solidly.

In a more radical TPM edit though, the space battle could get recycled into a diversionary attack so the Royal Starship can escape. Then if the jedi battle was on the battleship, that could explain the destruction of the droid army later on.

I'd be happy to see the gungans go entirely, so the end battle is just theed insurrection and the jedi duel.

I was watching king-kong recently, which like TPM returns to its original location at the end. But what Peter Jackson did cleverly was redesign New York for the second time by introducing snow and mainly using night scenes. Could this be done possibly for TPM? It could recycle the location into something vaguely new.

I just had an idea and forgive me if it is foolish or has been discussed before (which is possible since I haven't thoroughly gone over all 215 pages of this thread).

What if Qui-Gon and Count Dooku were the same character?

After all, they seemed to both be mavericks, opposing the Jedi council at times. That way The Phantom Menace and the rest of the prequels are more tied together. Also, their combined character may not be a Sith but just leader of the Seperatists (who may be the precursers to the OT Rebel Alliance). The Jedi won't seem like fools for thinking that Dooku/Jinn is not a killer, and we may sympathize with Dooku. Perhaps for Episode III, Anakin and Obi-Wan can later fight when Obi-Wan finds security tapes from the ship showing that Anakin killed an unarmed Dooku. They may have been supposed to arrest and not outright kill him. The scene may conclude with a line by Anakin that Dooku didn't deserve to live because he gave up his allegiance to the Republic.

I don't know. This is just an idea I had. Feel free to dislike it.

I suppose the nearest you could get to that would be to replace the Sidious holograms with Qui-Gon's ghost.

So Dooku is getting the same sort of guidance that Luke gets after escaping the Death Star.

Maybe Dooku fails because he tries to do everything too fast and plays into Palpatine's big scheme by giving the Republic and the Jedi an enemy to fight rather than a powerful secret resistance once the Republic has fallen.

That way when seen in sequence Luke not listening to Ben's Ghost (and Yoda) in ESB would prompt fears that he will fail just as Dooku did.

Retroing some stuff, even while keeping the pollished style (no wires no pipes, this is not a fully war-ship)

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6641/sinttulo1og.jpg

good stuff!

Mithrandir said:

Retroing some stuff, even while keeping the pollished style (no wires no pipes, this is not a fully war-ship)

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6641/sinttulo1og.jpg

love it! the two on the bottom!

The one on the right bottom is really nice!