Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal — Page 24

Jacobss said:

It does look indeed great, but I have a few question:

1. What possible quality can be achieved with this transfer? DVD, BD or even something better? (the screen on other forum was almost 4K)

2. Will the transfer contain all 3 films?

3. What about sound? Will it also be restored? No chance for 6 track dolby?

Anyway, it does look so great, that I just can't believe it. I pray that one day it will see the light and show how poor Lucasfilm is. No crushed blacks, correct colors and beatiful quality. Speaking of colors,  I'm wondering how much Adywans color correction was right and how much the colors from Lucasfilm editions were. I'm curious if Death Star walls are green or grey...

 

1. This transfer is being done at 1080p, I believe, so the final result will likely be both a Blu-Ray and DVD (though I don't want to put words in -1's mouth).

2. I believe -1 only has SW and ESB, but he's looking for an ROTJ print as well.  So only the irst 2 for now.

3. This I'm not sure about.  Although there's no way the 6-track Dolby will come from this (it's not a 70mm print), we do already have a decent copy of the stereo audio from the laserdisc, so I don't know if the plan is to use the print's optical stereo audio (admittedly, you could transfer that to a stereo Dolby TrueHD or DTS-MA for the Blu-Ray) or the LD audio for the final release.

adywan said:

...people are saying how crap it's going to look.

For the record, I never said the final result would look like crap.  All I said was that, if it were released in its current state without any further restoration...

Ah, fuck it, I'm done trying to explain myself.  It looks great.

All I'm going to say is that this is stupendous! I've been visiting this forum for years and with every project I see this one-ups the other, but this one is just, wow!

What surprises me even more is the quality of the print. Occasional scratches here and there, but overall beautiful! 

Total bummer.  Are you saying that the film strip is warped/twisted when you hold it up in the air?  If you laid it down flat with tension on it, would it look correct then?  I am just trying to understand the exact problem.

Thanks,
Mike

Well, that blows . . . lol

hairy_hen said:

Well, that blows . . . lol

Yup...

Hopefully better prints can be found.

Ady of -1 - do you think you could PM me a still from one of the damaged/warped sections?  I'm just curious to see what it looks like.  I don't have any intention of spreading it around or anything.  Just curious.

This forum is a sieve...

Adywan wrote: You have to remember

How can we remember something we've never been told.

Agree with Kenkraly and Nerfher I do, the colors and sounds WILL be """fixed""" and too much chit-chat.

My understanding is that it is only certain sections that are damaged, no? If a full-film transfer is out of the question, wouldn't a salvage job of certain reels be viable? Because the previous clip demonstrated that at least parts of the film look great.

Yeah, that's a good idea, try to do the best possible transfer of parts that were replaced outright in the SE, and merge them with colour corrected HD footage.  Wouldn't be a perfect match, of course, but a heck of a lot better than using the GOUT for such things.

nvm, realized the post would be better as a PM.

zombie84 said:

My understanding is that it is only certain sections that are damaged, no? If a full-film transfer is out of the question, wouldn't a salvage job of certain reels be viable? Because the previous clip demonstrated that at least parts of the film look great.

Very much this.

adywan wrote: Maybe you should have read a few posts back then

adywan said:

My god, i can't believe the negativity here. It's only at a very early stage and people are saying how crap it's going to look. sure, it's never going to look as good as a studio professionally done transfer but what have we got at the moment?

Color-me-stupid.  Have equipment (pics or spec) been sent to the knowledgeable?  Puggo, etc.

...and is there an alternative title to practice with?  So a larger feedback base can be gained.

Puggo wrote: I have no capabilities with 35mm.  Well, I do enough to know that making a homemade 35mm telecine is a significant undertaking.

Even if you don't, you understand the mechanisms which are involved in moving the frame - clicking the picture, more then the people like myself.  If people in this field of expertise could see the set up, maybe they could come up with ideas for compensating the problems of the current captures.  Which is also why I asked if there was a different title which could be used, then the capture crew could take this discussion into a forums where the 35mm savy hang out, and wouldn't get all caught up in the film, just the process of capture.  Don't know the specifics but since it's been determined that the film warps, maybe the glass sandwich is not tight enough, or maybe you only need one piece of glass and the exhaust of a small vacuum would be enough to push the frame against a piece of glass, thus removing the warpage.  Clues I don't have.  ...and I had told myself to stay out of the thread, but today's a stupid day for me, so forgive my ramblings.

Wow, I just got included in the private msg (thanks, btw!) and was just knocked off my feet by what I saw...  Then I come here & read this news. :(

Ah well.  It still gives me high hopes for the future based on what's already been accomplished.  Even if these materials won't yeild a full movie, the bits & pieces they do provide are well worth the effort.  And I can't help but feel it's only a matter of time now when we'll see the entire OT captured and restored from 35mm prints.