If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place — Page 7

xhonzi said:

There's nothing like a résumé that's handed to you by someone you know.  It's just sort of the way humans are built, I guess.

see that is another thing I can't stand.  Its all about who you know.   

xhonzi said:

Divide up the people you know into three categories:

1. Close relatives and close friends
2. Not as close friends, friends of friends
3. Acquaintances, etc..

That the people in group 1 will seldom actually be able to get you a job.  If they could, they would have already.  You have to look at groups 2 and 3.  Some of these people you won't have talked to in a while and you might feel some chagrin in calling them up to ask if they can help you get a job when you don't call them about anything else.  Ever.  But ignore that feeling... it's likely these people know that you aren't a close friend and don't expect you to act like one.  They know they might call you about a job if the roles were reversed, so they probably won't feel like you're just trying to take advantage of them.  Again, it's just sort of human nature.

So my advice would be to give that some serious thought, if you haven't already.

thanks for the advice, but I know very few people in life.   No one that I can think of would be able to get me a job.   I'm not sure I would want them to. I don't know that I want a job that someone more qualified would have gotten if not for the fact that I knew the right people.

see this is what I really can't stand about trying to get a job.  It seems to be all about:

-who you know

-how well you can sell yourself

-how you dress for the interview

-how good you are in interviews

-how willing you are to lie about who you really are and what you are really like in order to get a job

-how nice you resume looks

-how many tricks you pick up about applying for job and interviews and making a resume and whatnot from books and classes about hunting for a job and whatnot

-plain dumb luck

what it doesn't seem to be about at all is:

-how qualified and how good you'd be at the job and the tasks required of the job. 

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Warbler said:

see that is another thing I can't stand.  Its all about who you know.  

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see this is what I really can't stand about trying to get a job.

Doesn't matter, Warb.  You might not like it, but it's part of life.  Sometimes you have to give up on the way things should be and just deal with the way things are.  Either that or deal with the consequences of not having a job.  Might suck but it's life.

and give up on my principles? perhaps I should just kill myself after all.   Don't worry I won't, but it is tempting.

Warbler said:

and give up on my principals? perhaps I should just kill myself after all.   Don't worry I won't, but it is tempting.

 Would you tell a bride she looks fat on her wedding day? Even if it's true?

Of course not. But that's not being dishonest.

Acting how people want you to act at a job interview is just an extension of that type of behavior. It's not dishonest... it just is.

Warbler said:

and give up on my principals? perhaps I should just kill myself after all.   Don't worry I won't, but it is tempting.

First off, please don't even joke about that.

And you're not going to change how things are in this case, it might suck but it's just the way it is.  So you either give up your principles, or you live with the consequences of your principles.

*sigh*

Why *sigh*?

This is how the world works.  If you don't like something, you change it, if you can't change it, you deal with it.

*sigh*

*pie*

*cries*

*Bill Nye*

*fie*

Now you're just being silly.

Gaffer Tape said:

And that other thing you said.

don't do that.  DON'T EVER DO THAT.

To be clear, it's not that I don't have sympathy for you guys.  I just hate for your principles to get in the way of work, if work is truly what you desire.  If your principles are more important to you, and you can live the life you want to live without sacrificing that, you would truly be the envy of most of us.

But it's a tough gig.

I'd hire you...if I was hiring...and if I had something to hire you for...like a business...

Fink would give you the business.

My roommate is also going on maybe 6 months of unemployment.  He's miserable to be around sometimes.  It's tough.  And he is looking for the dream job.  I'm not in love with my job, and it isn't certainly my dream job, but I've been there for 5+ years and I have opportunity for professional development. 

Sometimes it's best to start with a job, get some cash and self-esteem and then look for that career.

In terms of pure probability chances are that anyone interviewing you for a job is less intelligent than yourself.

They will be given a check list of things to look for in a CV/resume and they will see many people who know this and have filled theres in after visiting some website or advisor telling them the rules of the game.

That means that people reading them also tend to get lots of identical CVs/resumes.

It then becomes a matter of pot luck or the stupid person in the personnel department isolating some subjective factor like, the supplied information creates the mental image of someone they would like to have an affair with or if the applicant supports the same sports team as themselves.

In the rare instance that the person reading the resume/CV is at least as intelligent or more intelligent than yourself, then presenting your abilities in a jargon free, no nonsense way is a winning stratagem.

You will stand out from the crowd, you will come across as straight forward and honest and you will have a better chance at getting a job with the sort of people you want to work with.

So my best advice is put down everything in plane English, be yourself and expect very few results but be happy that the ones you don't get are probably not the ones you would want anyway.

See every rejection not as a loss but as a saving of time and effort.

In fact that's a good rule of thumb in life generally.

Bingowings said:

So my best advice is put down everything in plane English...

Er...

Either it was an simple honest typo or I made a moderately amusing pun...(my money is on the typo this time).

Totally woke up an hour late for class today.  Buried my face in my pillow and screamed "FUCK!" at the top of my lungs ... only to have my roommate bitch at me later for waking her up.  Goddamn I hate my life sometimes.