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So, any new discoveries made on this delicious Laserdisc of yours? I'm very curious.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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A little bumping.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Sorry to bump but is a preservation/laserdisc transfer going to be made of this interesting find? It would be nice to have a smear-free transfer.

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Just thought I would post these comparisons to make it easier for people to see how unique this LD of yours is.

JSC (V8)

Smear-free '93

Smear '93 (GOUT)

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Smear-free '93

Smear '93 (GOUT)

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Smear-free '93

Smear '93 (GOUT)

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Smear-free '93

Smear '93 (GOUT)

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Smear-free '93

Smear '93 (GOUT)

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Smear-free '93

Smear '93 (GOUT)

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Smear-free '93

Smear '93 (GOUT)

I'm still fascinated by this transfer that have largely gone unnoticed all these years, how would you say it compare against the JSC in terms of overall quality, mallwalker? I understand these screen-caps doesn't do it real justice. It seems like it losing quite alot of picture information on the sides though. One thing that have always been unique to the JSC transfer in terms of framing/cropping is this one:

It is the only transfer that I know of, that have the skyline visible in this shot. Even if it was never meant to be framed that way, this composition actually makes the shot seem more exciting and epic IMO. The much larger framing also reveal this thing from the film crew that drops into the frame for a second. Yeah, I know. I've seen these films too much for my own good. ;)

How do the smear-free '93 LD look in these shots? I'm curious.

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Interesting.  The smear in the GOUT can be really bad, even more noticeably when put up against the other versions, but then you can see the video noise in those is at rather a high level.  The colour is quite different in each, too.  The smear-free '93 colouring is making me think of the '92 vhs tape that I grew up watching; it seems very familiar in that way.

By the way, does anyone have any (relatively) high quality footage from the JSC for the 4-eyed stormtrooper and the Mos Eisley sequence that I might be able to obtain?  I'm thinking of putting them into a possible edit I have in mind, mainly just to see if I can actually do it, but if it works I might end up using them.

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hairy_hen said:


The smear-free '93 colouring is making me think of the '92 vhs tape that I grew up watching; it seems very familiar in that way.

Did you read Asaki a few days ago, when he noticed the 2 burn marks in the Tantive corridor on his recently acquired VHS? Wasn't that a '92 too?

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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Darth Mallwalker said:

 

hairy_hen said:


The smear-free '93 colouring is making me think of the '92 vhs tape that I grew up watching; it seems very familiar in that way.

Did you read Asaki a few days ago, when he noticed the 2 burn marks in the Tantive corridor on his recently acquired VHS? Wasn't that a '92 too?

 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9z4xe_opening-previews-to-star-wars-1992_shortfilms

I hadn't seen this in awhile....not the greatest quality but fun.

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Warning: the colars are not fixxed!

English translation:
Capture card settings (hue, contrast, etc.) are leftover from whenever the last time I used the card.
This time I've made no attempt to match the colorbars at the end of side 3 on this disc.

Cropping along righthand edge could be caused by the card/settings.
If I was running Windows, I could try that BT8x8 tweaker program to change my back porch value, or whatever they call it.

Got a different capture card I can try (tomorrow?) . . . although I wouldn't expect the top edge to be any different.

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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Darth Mallwalker said:

hairy_hen said:


The smear-free '93 colouring is making me think of the '92 vhs tape that I grew up watching; it seems very familiar in that way.

Did you read Asaki a few days ago, when he noticed the 2 burn marks in the Tantive corridor on his recently acquired VHS? Wasn't that a '92 too?

 Yeah, I assumed he meant the '92 letterbox set (the one I have with burn marks).

What other set has the burn marks? When you first mentioned them, you referred to them as "our old friends".

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Asaki said:

Yeah, I assumed he meant the '92 letterbox set (the one I have with burn marks).

What other set has the burn marks? When you first mentioned them, you referred to them as "our old friends".

I meant the PAL THX LD's (French & German) like Citizen, Moth3r & most recently Lee Thorogood have preserved, have them. "Old friends" refer to Moth3r's & Citizen's preservations from several years back, when I was first introduced to the burns.

In my current line of thinking (wild-ass educated guess) this Technidisc pressing LD and Asaki's 1992 widescreen VHS are likely the same transfer/master, and I'd suspect they're missing the same frames at reel changeovers, same 2:3 pulldown cadence, same cropping, etc...

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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Thanks for the trouble Darth. :)

Those damaged frames on the Blockade Runner can also be seen in Moth3r's telecine bootleg and if you look close enough you can see that they are in the GOUT as well.

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Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Asaki wrote: What other set has the burn marks?

msycamore wrote: Those damaged frames on the Blockade Runner can also be seen in Moth3r's telecine bootleg and if you look close enough you can see that they are in the GOUT as well.

When I learned of the "old friends" did some checking and the places I didn't find them was a CED preservation and anything after the SEs.

Here's a possible explanation of how they got there:

From "The Sounds of Star Wars" book:

PG.53

008 Hatch Sizzle and Explosion

Quote: "At one point while Burtt was working in the basement of Park Way, he was handed the color work print.  At that time, Lucasfilm had only one work print of Star Wars, so the utmost care was used when handling it.  "I thought, 'This is really valuable; my future's at stake here," says Burtt.  "So I threaded the work print up on my Movieola very carefully.  I checked all the rollers and sprockets to make sure it was okay.  Then I pressed Go - and ripped the films to shreads!  Oh, boy.  So I spliced it back together and tried to pretend it didn't happen.  But all the screenings from then on always had this jumpy spot right when the stormtroopers come bursting through the door of the Blockade Runner."

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Wait so why did the burn marks not appear in the JSC, if they were already present in Moth3r's telecine which predates the JSC? Also, for the GOUT/Definitive Collection, how were they made less apparent?

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The Aluminum Falcon said:

Wait so why did the burn marks not appear in the JSC, if they were already present in Moth3r's telecine which predates the JSC? Also, for the GOUT/Definitive Collection, how were they made less apparent?

 Weren't they only ever in the PAL Master?

 

Also, I've never seen them in the GOUT. Can you post a screen of that?

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You have a screen shot of it up there already, you just need to look close enough and you can see it's still there but much reduced by the DVNR. Maybe easier to spot on a bigger screen shot though.

Edit: One of those things you only notice when you study it frame by frame. ;)

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Both Puggo's GRANDE & S.Krig have the burns, and both have pre-ANH crawls. So it seems the burn marks go way back.
Now I'm wondering why the mid-80's ANH laserdiscs don't show 'em ?

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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Darth Mallwalker said:

In my current line of thinking (wild-ass educated guess) this Technidisc pressing LD and Asaki's 1992 widescreen VHS are likely the same transfer/master, and I'd suspect they're missing the same frames at reel changeovers, same 2:3 pulldown cadence, same cropping, etc...

 I can do some screencaps if you like. My capture card's quality isn't the best, but I'll see what I can do.

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Thanks a lot Asaki for your troubles. I'll take a closer look at those later when I have more time...

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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After resampling my VHS caps to 608 wide, they match perfectly (layered together with soft light):

 

Obviously your caps have a bit extra on the left-hand side.

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I have the widscreen vhs set and i always figured Jedi was the same as the JSC because its misframed high up on the tv set when played back.

 

Every widescreen copy on home video that was legit before the definitive or faces of Jedi was misframed.  The first version in CLV that was fixed was the 1995 faces, and of course you got the 1993 CAV release in the def box.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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When I now own this Smear-free '93 LD myself, I must say that Star Wars or A New Hope in this case, have never looked better on video than it does on this transfer in terms of colors, nice vibrant colors close to how the '82 LD transfer looked but better and more consistent. In addition to that, you don't have those ugly glue marks every second like the JSC have.

But as always when it comes to these films on video, there's some problems, otherwise it wouldn't be SW, right? ;) The transfer have blown out white levels in a few scenes which the JSC transfer don't have, and as already shown on the screen-caps it loses some picture info, mostly on the sides due to different cropping compared to both the JSC and GOUT. Also, even though this transfer overall have amazing colors, I noticed a few color issues in some spots, in the battle above the Death Star - colorless TIE lasers in one scene for example. But this is all mostly nitpicking.

This is definitely the best transfer of ANH on LD IMHO. If you have a Laserdisc player and love this film, do yourself a favor and track this down.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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hairy_hen said:

By the way, does anyone have any (relatively) high quality footage from the JSC for the 4-eyed stormtrooper and the Mos Eisley sequence that I might be able to obtain?  I'm thinking of putting them into a possible edit I have in mind, mainly just to see if I can actually do it, but if it works I might end up using them.

The best would of course be if someone could provide you with raw untouched footage. If not, I could upload those scenes from the "V8"- disc for you.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com