xhonzi said:
There are other adults I trust with my kids enough to let them spank them. It's a pretty short list. I wouldn't condone teachers spanking my kids, but I don't have much of an opinion on them spanking other kids, as long as they had the parents' consent.
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TV's Frink said:
Unfortunately, in many cases the difficulty is determining when spanking ends and beating begins.Warb:
exactly. this is why none of it should be allowed. The acceptability of spankings by society has led to child abuse. Parents start out with just spanking the child, then it gets worse and worse and and the kid ends up looking like a punching bag.Allow me to crib from TheBoost:
Are we actually talking about anything? What laws abuse do you mean? What cases are you citing? Or is it just a general "kids today... spanking leads to abuse.... grumble grumble"?
I don't know of any abuse that started out as spanking. There's a clear, thick line (maybe 8pts) between abuse and spanking from where I can see it.
I am not sure how you see the line as being so clear.
xhonzi said: I don't personally know of any kids (or wives, for that matter) that look like punching bags...
well just watch the news you are sure to see some.
xhonzi said:
And I think most of the parents I know (maybe 80%?) spank.
most parents that I know don't spank.
xhonzi said:
Seriously. Are there lots of "carried away" parents that start spanking their kids and end up beating them? Do you mean that after a couple swats to the bottom, it progresses to a point of real violence within seconds?
no, of course not in seconds.
xhonzi said:
Or more that, overtime, gentle paddles on the rear-end lead to more violent forms of abuse as they get older?
this is what I mean. sometimes the paddling gets worse if the life of the parent worsens. Also I'd be willing to bet there is a good chance that those who abused their children were themselves paddled(or worse) by their parents.
xhonzi said:
I know of no actual real world occurances of either, but maybe I'm just blissfully ignorant to it. Or maybe it's just rampant speculation.
I suppose it is part educated guesswork on my part, but it seems to make sense.
TV's Frink said:
I think that some people probably hit their kids under the guise of discipline when it's really just a beating. I mean, most people that actually beat their kids probably have some self-justification for it.
exactly.