Star Wars OT & 1997 Special Edition - Various Projects Info (Released) — Page 74

adywan said:

well i'd still be willing to download the 1.48gb sample if you can uploaded it. I have a hotfile account so i can download it pretty fast. You would probably have to split it into chunks of 400mb but you can do that with winrar

Cool that is what I will do, I really want people to look at this sample, I really like this ALOT! but I am also a fan of Terminator 2 Skynet Edition and the new Predator, they might have been overdone on the cleanup, but to me look FANTASTIC.

I am really afraid that if I do back off on the noise\grain setting that the sky and other scenes will start to look like shit again, but DAMN what a HUGE difference from the GOUT 4:3 DVD to this(I hate to admit it, but I prefer this over the V3 as well) but if everyone says it is to much I will start backing off little by little.

I have started uploading now.

rogueOne said:

DJ, Sorry for the delay in my review of V3 RoTJ.  (Baby's on the way and we're a little busy around the house.)

Again, fantastic.  Video is good, audio is good.  No complaints.

From my point of view, the V3 DVDs are my choice for viewing the OT.  I'd be happy to host an OT party and put them on for my friends to enjoy.

Also got a chance to put on the ESB Imperial Edition while doing house work in the living room.  That's a really neat ESB version, DJ.  Such beautiful music.  And the B&W just gives it that classy touch.

I'll get to the SE and JSC discs soon and let you know about those too.

Thanks rogueOne, looking forward to any and all reviews, I am SO glad you are liking them so far.

I already said a few posts back,

"OH, and sorry up front about the color, now I have been fucking around with it."

Well here is the sample, remember it is a big one LOL, I wanted a lot of different scenes to look at, and I will pull back on the noise\grain setting, but like I said, if I go to far back on them it will look like pure crappola, well anyways here is the sample links, and I just want to clarify 1 more time, is this perfect, hell no.

http://hotfile.com/dl/107858585/99dfcef/SW720.part1.rar.html

http://hotfile.com/dl/107862142/f2bbce6/SW720.part2.rar.html

http://hotfile.com/dl/107865177/4bf6f78/SW720.part3.rar.html

http://hotfile.com/dl/107866716/af35e89/SW720.part4.rar.html

corellian77 said:

dark_jedi said:

I already said a few posts back,

"OH, and sorry up front about the color, now I have been fucking around with it."

Ah, my apologies.  I thought you were referring to the upcoming sample clips.  Downloading them now... looking forward to watching these.

I was, but those screens are from the new clip, no big deal, all is good, it is easy to miss comments, I know I have done it and probably will do it again.

dark_jedi said:

JEFF GORDON WINS!!!!! FINALLY!

GO 24!

 

Well that was unexpected.

I'd pretend I root for a different driver but I'm not into NASCAR.

TV's Frink said:

dark_jedi said:

JEFF GORDON WINS!!!!! FINALLY!

GO 24!

 

Well that was unexpected.

I'd pretend I root for a different driver but I'm not into NASCAR.

What? a Star Wars Fan can't be a NASCAR Fan?

Doctor M said:

The other issue is the chapters points.  They are moved to the nearest I-frame.

Doesn't DVDLab Pro have a setting "Force I-Frame on Chapter Point"?

This new and longer 720p clip really shows off the quality and resolution of the cleanup. You definitely pumped up the de-graining alot and it might be a good idea to pulled back ever so slightly. Some of the faces look a little bit like this at times:

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/1/full/1278011824_1.jpg

I absolutely agree with your belief that the de-graining helps. Honestly, I'm surprised that I wasn't as upset about it. It really looks amazing. Maybe pull back just 5%. Could you give us some screen grab samples for steps in reducing the amount of DNR?  

You can really see the over-smoothing of the image when Luke is sitting and eating with this Aunt and Uncle. It's especially noticeable in Uncle Owen's face.

I actually have pulled back a little more than that on the test run I am doing now, it will be done in about an hour or so, then I will encode and test on my HDTV, truth be told, I actually liked how clean that sample looks, but that is just me, we all differ on these things, just like color.

Last night I actually got my Boy and my Wife to sit down and watch the first 29 minutes of the GOUT DVD(this is the first time I have EVER watched it) and then followed it by my sample, they were BLOWN away, they could not believe that the sample was from that crappy DVD, so that was cool, also my Wife and Boy liked how clean it looked to, it is different watching in motion as appose to looking at pics.

dark_jedi said:

I already said a few posts back,

"OH, and sorry up front about the color, now I have been fucking around with it."

Well here is the sample, remember it is a big one LOL, I wanted a lot of different scenes to look at, and I will pull back on the noise\grain setting, but like I said, if I go to far back on them it will look like pure crappola, well anyways here is the sample links, and I just want to clarify 1 more time, is this perfect, hell no.

http://hotfile.com/dl/107858585/99dfcef/SW720.part1.rar.html

http://hotfile.com/dl/107862142/f2bbce6/SW720.part2.rar.html

http://hotfile.com/dl/107865177/4bf6f78/SW720.part3.rar.html

http://hotfile.com/dl/107866716/af35e89/SW720.part4.rar.html

 

Is there audio with this sample?  I downloaded it, it looks great but I can't figure out what audio codec it's supposed to use (gspot was no help).

BD LPCM

Dark Jedi has requested that I share my thoughts on sets he sent me.

GOUT V3

97 Se v2

JSC Laserdisc rip

ESB IE

All were very nice in their own respective ways. V3 is the best I have ever seen the GOUT look. The 97 SE looks great as well, my VHS tapes of the SE never looked that good even when new.

I could go on but the one thing I get now that I have everything Dark Jedi was working on is the the amount of time and energy is must have taken to complete of all these sets...

And now that I see the 720p rips of the GOUT, which makes the V3 dvd look like crap....here's hoping Dark Jedi doesn't stop until that project is done as well...:)

Dark_Jedi,

When I look at the 720p sample the only blemish I can spot is when C3PO and R2D2 have their close up shot on the ship you can see the jaggies really bad on both droids... I don't know if it was there all the time or if its something that has been introduced by whatever filters or processes that you are doing to the film but if there is anyway you could improve that shot that would be great...

Darth, What's His Name? said:

Dark_Jedi,

When I look at the 720p sample the only blemish I can spot is when C3PO and R2D2 have their close up shot on the ship you can see the jaggies really bad on both droids... I don't know if it was there all the time or if its something that has been introduced by whatever filters or processes that you are doing to the film but if there is anyway you could improve that shot that would be great...

I think it is there all the time, even on the V3 and the retail GOUT, some of those flaws are going to carry over no matter what is done, unless taking the scene from something else, look at the Stormtroopers bringing Leia to see Vader, they look like they are blinking LOL, but that is a GOUT flaw, just like the 4 eye Stormtrooper, some flaws are just going to have to stay.

dark_jedi said:

Darth, What's His Name? said:

Dark_Jedi,

When I look at the 720p sample the only blemish I can spot is when C3PO and R2D2 have their close up shot on the ship you can see the jaggies really bad on both droids... I don't know if it was there all the time or if its something that has been introduced by whatever filters or processes that you are doing to the film but if there is anyway you could improve that shot that would be great...

I think it is there all the time, even on the V3 and the retail GOUT, some of those flaws are going to carry over no matter what is done, unless taking the scene from something else, look at the Stormtroopers bringing Leia to see Vader, they look like they are blinking LOL, but that is a GOUT flaw, just like the 4 eye Stormtrooper, some flaws are just going to have to stay.

Ah that's cool...never mind then. The video quality is still beyond what any of us thought would be possible....it looks amazing.

Are these DVDs available yet?

No, I did not mess with the blue's specifically, it was just an overall big pump in saturation, but I will probably leave the color settings to what the V3 already was set at, or if I want to run the final avi in AE, I could use Ady's color preset, and truth be told, I liked it to, my Family could not believe what the source was, it just looked really clean to me, which was cool.

dark_jedi said:Cool that is what I will do, I really want people to look at this sample, I really like this ALOT! but I am also a fan of Terminator 2 Skynet Edition and the new Predator, they might have been overdone on the cleanup, but to me look FANTASTIC.

 See, I think this is a big problem right here. The new Predator disc looks terrible. It doesn't look like a film, you lose all the fine detail, and everything has this fake, plasticy look. I had to track down the older Blu Ray on eBay.

There is nothing wrong with grain. I can understand wanting it to be reduced a bit, but you should never get rid of it entirely, especially when the side effect is that it takes away detail and highlights on a video source that is already in severe want of these things. This isn't how Star Wars, or any movie shot on film, ought to look. Don't be afraid of grain, look at a lot of Blu Rays of contemporary films like Sherlock Holms and you will see ample grain, that's just the way movies look, they don't look like a video game or like video because they aren't video; that super-clean, smooth "HD" look is something you only get in video sources and it's not a yardstick to measure quality by any means, it's just an element of the medium the images were created with.

Anyway, I've said my piece. This was the only problem I ever had with DJ's older transfers, and it was bad enough that I couldn't really watch them. The earlier screenshots of V3 looked like it reduced the grain but didn't eliminate it and I thought it was a good compromise, I'd hate to see this edition ruined by a lazy eye towards film preservation.

I have already stated it is probably to much cleanup(this was my first time with this filter) but the grain\noise HAS to be lessened quit a bit on this version, when blowing it up it really screws up some scenes, like Tantive IV hallways, space shots, and especially the sky on the outside on Tatooine shots, and this project will be just like color correcting, there is NO way that everyone is going to be pleased by this, and I can live with that, but as long as I, and most others like it, then that is cool by me, but this will have a really FANTASTIC blu-ray menu, and it will have every audio option I have and can find in ac3 and LPCM.

@zombie84, what "older" transfers are you talking about? the V1 & V2? if so that was not my script, but there were still some that really liked those versions to, everyone has different tastes, that does not make them bad, just different.

One more thing on the Blu project, I am not even made a final yet, not even close, still waiting on others suggestions and such, this is all just seeing what can be done, and what should be done, and what shouldn't be done.

I'm sorry if I missed this, but if the Blu project ends up viable would you also release it as an AVCHD for those without Blu burners?  I would be very interested in that.