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DJ, can you use something like Ifoedit to fix the problem you're having with the celltimes/chapters?  As for DVDLab, I don't have the program installed at the moment, but I seem to remember there being a check box or something when you're about to compile the DVD that's supposed to give you more accurate chapters.

“It’s a lot of fun… it’s a lot of fun to watch Star Wars.” – Bill Moyers

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I just rocked out with TESB V3.  Incredible!

The chapters did seem to start a few frames earlier than the GOUT, but that doesn't bother me.  The layer break at the space slug escape did pause for a split second, but that doesn't bother me too much.

I didn't mind the menu issue that others have mentioned.  I could fix them if dj so desires, but I'm not bugged by it.  

Overall, I give it a solid A, would have been an A+, but dj had to work from the GOUT, so that does hurt the project just a bit.  But I think he did an absolutely incredible job with the numerous audio tracks, gorgeous picture and colors and cool bonus features.  I knew they existed and had downloaded them separately a few years ago, but I never got around to playing them.  They were a cool touch.

This is my go-to set when ever I want to watch Star Wars.

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Thank you so much Sluggo, but remember these are g-force scripts, but I did put back in the 8% saturation boost on this one and Jedi, but SW has a different setting altogether, now I just HOPE I can get the V3 BLU to come out, I am trying out even more suggestions from some very helpful people, if what I plan for the V3 BLU works, this will be KICK ASS! 720P V3 video, ALL audio options in DD & LPCM, and hairy_hens\Satanika 5.1 mixes will be redone in either highest bitrate DTS or maybe DTS-HD MA 5.1, and then this will be perfect companion to the official release this Fall, and once this set is done, NO MORE Star Wars for me, I am 100% done!

1 thing though, I probably should not call it the V3 BLU, after all this is not a version 3 of Blu-ray LOL, now what to call it?

@corellian77, I am not sure if that will help or not, but this whole celltime thing does suck, I HATE that the chapters are not exact and that the LB did not go where it was suppose to.

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Props to g-force as well.  

*my bad* ;)

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I've never been a fan of DVD Lab Pro for rebuilding discs (I do use it for custom ground up discs though).  For one thing it only accepts text subtitles (does the original GOUT have subs?).

The other issue is the chapters points.  They are moved to the nearest I-frame.

When I rebuild discs I use Muxman.  You set the celltime for the chapters, and that's where they end up.  (It also takes subtitles in untouched .SUP format.).  (Oh yeah and the basic version does everything I need and is free.)

You can then use the output with VOBBlanker to rebuild the disc with the new movie.

...Just my method FWIW.

Dr. M

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I just tried Muxman DrM, and it is putting the cells in the wrong spot also, so the LB is wrong to, both Muxman and DVDLab Pro are putting them in the exact same wrong place, maybe PGCDemux and DVDDecrypter can't rip celltimes correctly, is there a different method to try?

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A couple thoughts.

The first may sound obvious, but: cell times are based on 29.97 frames/sec.  regardless of if the film is progressive or not.

If you've found the chapter locations yourself using just about anything (VirtualDub, etc.), your numbers are probably based on 23.976.  Multiplying by 1.25 will fix that.

Also, if your cells are ripped using DVD Decrypter, they may also be wrong.  The program doesn't handle NTSC cell times well (only PAL).  Grab PGCDemux and try reripping just the celltimes.

Dr. M

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PGCDemux rips them the same, they are identical, I just compared the 2.

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Here are the comparison screenshots for the first and second 720p and the second 1080p. (the third 720p and the first 1080p were not that different from the rest. So I didn't include them in the comparison)

 http://www.dacklinyoung.com/EXPORT_COMPARE.jpg

After your first 720p export, the compression seems to be making the same negative effect on each version. You can see in the first 720p how much detail was in C-3PO's chest plate and on his face. The compression in the other versions also gets rid of detail found in left hand corner of the frame. 

What program did you use for the first export?  Any idea what the settings were?

I'll be sending more notes and suggestions later today or tomorrow.  This was all that I could put together for the moment.

 

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Thanks for that input, but all previous versions, I should just go back and delete the sample links, they were all bad, I was not happy with any of them, the space scenes really looked like crap, I am taking a different approach now, so if you want to just hang on and look at the new samples when I have some ready, I think these are better than ALL previous attempts, I guess we will see when I upload some samps, I am currently trying something Doctor M suggested, then after that, I have another suggestion to try as well.

I want to thank you again for the input though, I really need it on this probably over aggressive project of mine LOL.

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dark_jedi said:

 

1 thing though, I probably should not call it the V3 BLU, after all this is not a version 3 of Blu-ray LOL, now what to call it?

 

how about BLOUT V1?  ( or maybe BLOAT V1) sounds stupid doesn't it.....lol

 

Very cool DJ thank you for considering to do this...sent you a PM.

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Doctor M suggested that I do all the upscaling first, then run it through g-forces script, so instead of adding all that on top of g-forces script I made a separate script for upscaling, all I did was double what g-force already had from the GOUT DVD .d2v file, then I modified g-forces script to take my upscaled avi file, so far I think this is the best it has looked, I still need to encode and test on my HDTV but I will do that soon, I also have 1 other suggestion to try out as well, I think we are getting close,but here are some screens.

 

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DJ, Sorry for the delay in my review of V3 RoTJ.  (Baby's on the way and we're a little busy around the house.)

Again, fantastic.  Video is good, audio is good.  No complaints.

From my point of view, the V3 DVDs are my choice for viewing the OT.  I'd be happy to host an OT party and put them on for my friends to enjoy.

Also got a chance to put on the ESB Imperial Edition while doing house work in the living room.  That's a really neat ESB version, DJ.  Such beautiful music.  And the B&W just gives it that classy touch.

I'll get to the SE and JSC discs soon and let you know about those too.

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After doing research on the anamorphic issue, it's clear you guys were completely correct about it needing to be 16:9.  So, sorry about that.

I should have just stated the actual issue I was concerned about.  In most other anamorphic dvds, the black bars on the top and bottom are blacker/darker than the rest of the black levels found in the actual movie.  In your HD exports, the black levels of the top and bottom bars are almost identical to the blacks levels found in the movie.  This is especially noticeable in the space scenes.

I would like to directly compare your exports to the 2004 anamorhic dvd of star wars but I'm not at home right now. I'll check it out a ASAP and see if the difference can be seen in the space scenes. (Thus my comment is not 100% backed up yet) Until then, here examples of what I mean from other dvds.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screenshot.php?movieid=5090&position=7

http://media.bluray.ign.com/media/143/14320351/img_8123419.html

http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/artman2/uploads/1/matrix-neo-widescreen.jpg

 

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Dack Ralter, are you viewing these images on a calibrated monitor? The examples you have shown have the black levels almost identical to the matte bars. having checked the hd transfer of esb i boosted the gamma and the starfield background is the same black level as the matte bars. boosting the gout gamma however shows how red shifted the transfer actually is as the starfield blacks turns very red, but are brighter. But you have to remember that the gout is very washed out and blacks aren't at the level they would be with a decent transfer

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There is definitely some grain\noise removal needed and used, if I leave it the way it is in g-forces script it is no where near enough for 720p video, it is so noisey\grainey that it looks very bad, especially in the Tantiv IV hallways, and really noticeable in the outside shots on Tatooine, especially when Owen is buying the Droids, sky is terrible, but I finally encoded it and it looks pretty good and clean in motion, but it is a 1.48 GB sample, not sure if anyone would download it, but I wish you would, I need input & ideas, I know I sound like a broken record LOL.

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D_J, could you encode the sample as a mkv to make the file size smaller? I'd definitely be interested in checking out the sample and give you feedback.  I would say that the noise reduction could do with being turned down slightly (vaders helmet looks a bit smudged from the NR) but this could change when seen in motion anyway as you can never tell just from screenshots.

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Does the forum set fixed width to images?  No matter how wide I open the browser, I can't see the right half of those HD shots.


Btw, they don't look bad at all.  The edges are good, and there aren't any obvious upscaling artifacts.  Looks over scrubbed, but that probably isn't g-force's script.  You can't create detail that isn't there.

Dr. M

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D_J, could you encode the sample as a mkv to make the file size smaller? I'd definitely be interested in checking out the sample and give you feedback.  I would say that the noise reduction could do with being turned down slightly (vaders helmet looks a bit smudged from the NR) but this could change when seen in motion anyway as you can never tell just from screenshots.

Is there any way to make chunks of it, I made the sample very long this time because I had to see the outside shots on Tatooine, and the Tantiv IV scenes, LOL and Space, and at least on my 65" HDTV I think it looks very good in motion, maybe a little to clean LOL, definitely NOT as grainey as the V3 DVD.

OH, and sorry up front about the color, now I have been fucking around with it.