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Can't wait for that review Sluggo! :) It sounds like the V3 is getting high marks from the testers who've received it.

The HD sample looks f**ing fantastic !

I am SOOO glad I called in sick today.  Something just arrived...

Here is a new 720p sample done differently than the other sample, keep in mind the source please, so this will NEVER be perfect HD obviously, again, all I want to achieve here is making this look better than the V3 DVD being upconverted by the players, but this looks a lot better than the last sample and it is of low bitrate as well, but I made it longer, the crawl looks better but not perfect, all these problems are on the V3 DVD as well you just can't see them without blowing it up, well here are the links, let me know.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/iwsmro

http://www.sendspace.com/file/vb8so5

Finished watching Star Wars V3.  Wow DJ.  Fantastic!

Video quality was excellent.  Colors were bright, faces were normal, clarity was great on my 65".

I mainly stayed on the 5.1 audio track, but here and there I would switch between tracks to check for sync.  Seemed fine to me.  Those explosions on the 5.1 track really got my sub going.

I do have some minor concerns.  I'll list them below.

1) At 1:00:33 when Vader says "I told you she would never consciously betray the rebellion.", the disc skips a bit.  On every audio track (minus the hidden one), the line ends up being "consciously betray the rebe-e-e-ellion".  I don't know if that was a burn error or if that's because of a layer change and my DVD player sucks...  It's a reasonably new LG (DN898).  If anyone has experience with this player b0rking layer transitions like this, then let me know.

2) Greedo's subtitles didn't stay on my screen.  I have a 65" Mitsubishi Medallion HD1080 rear-projection TV.  I was sending normal 480p signal to it (even though my LG can upscale to my TV's max @ 1080i).  Here are two pics that show what I saw.  When set to "480p Narrow" mode, you can see the full 16:9 image in a 4:3 area with gray bars to the left and right.  In those shots, the subs just barely fit.  When set to "480p Standard" mode, the right side of the subs bump into the edge and the left side of the subs start to disappear.    http://i.imgur.com/wo0Aj.jpg   http://i.imgur.com/klqtn.jpg   Even when I have my LG upscale to 1080i, I still lose the left edge.  The menu screen shows loss as well, the "S" and "W" are cut off about 1/3 the way in of each.  The cut off is probably my TV's overscan, but the subs are really close to the edge in Narrow mode.

Other than those two nit picks, a fantastic first disc!

Looks like your TV's overscan is a bit more than mine.  And there's a lot more room on the left and right of the subs than you see on either one of your images posted.

I'm looking into the other issue you mentioned right now.

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Yep, that's the layer break.  It doesn't show up on the player in my bedroom, but it does show up on the one in the living room.  It's pretty awkward, actually - it's smack in the middle of Vader's line ("Rebellion").

I think that imgburn, or whichever program you used, just slapped the layer break in the exact middle of the film, instead of preserving the actual GOUT layer break (which is immediately after Tarkin's "one swift stroke" line, IIRC).

I don't know what to tell you about the subs and the menu, Sluggo made the menu images for me, and they were JUST, and I mean just inside the safe area, I almost had to PM him and ask for new ones, and my Mits 65" HDTV Diamond does not show the pic like that at all, everything is inside beautiful, fits just right, I think maybe your TV might be doing a little to much over scan, because I have no idea how to fix that when I do not see it on my end, I will look into the audio though, as I read ChainsawAsh is as well.

ChainsawAsh said:

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Yep, that's the layer break.  It doesn't show up on the player in my bedroom, but it does show up on the one in the living room.  It's pretty awkward, actually - it's smack in the middle of Vader's line ("Rebellion").

 

Then that is why I can't see it(or hear it) my player plays right through no problems, I could not see any setting on the latest IMGBurn to force a different LB, and I chose Cell 28 which is what it is in on the GOUT SW DVD, damn I hate that friggin LB, is there any other program that lets you set it exact? I wonder if having ALL them audio options on there made it different as far as IMGBurn is concerned?

Is there really any advantage to upscaling an LD to HD rather than just letting your player do it? Or does the quality vary according to the quality of your player?

I knew my TV over-scanned a lot on its DVI input (and it's rough getting my Linux box happy with it).  I didn't realize it was just as bad on the other inputs.  Now I know...   Guess I just have to get a new TV....  ;)

And now that Ash has confirmed the layer change is awkwardly placed, that might be the only real change I'd suggest before you release Star Wars V3 to the masses.

Watching ESB now.

zombie84 said:

Is there really any advantage to upscaling an LD to HD rather than just letting your player do it? Or does the quality vary according to the quality of your player?

It's not really LD, it is the GOUT V3 I am using, these DVD's are way better than any LD cap I have done, and I have ran several tests on this and by me processing these files on my PC rather than letting the player upscale, it looks way better, but as I emphasized at least a couple times above, is it perfect, hell no, but it looks better than an upscaled V3 DVD, and that is my goal, plus with Blu-ray, I am not as limited with extra content like a DVD, this project is not for everyone I understand that, but I know for certain, because I have communicated with a few, that there are some here that are interested as much as I.

rogueOne said:

And now that Ash has confirmed the layer change is awkwardly placed, that might be the only real change I'd suggest before you release Star Wars V3 to the masses.

There is nothing I can do about the LB, I stated that above, I have only used IMGBurn and there were no other options, when I upload I will just upload them as a file not an Image.

I really don't know what else to do about that, because even the chapters move out as well, again those cells were ripped with PGCDemux and DVDDecrypter(they both were exactly the same by the way) and for some reason friggin DVDLab Pro is mucking them up, just don't get it, another thing that I will have MUCH more control over on a Blu-ray Disc.

Moth3r said:

rogueOne said:

I knew my TV over-scanned a lot on its DVI input (and it's rough getting my Linux box happy with it).  I didn't realize it was just as bad on the other inputs.  Now I know...   Guess I just have to get a new TV....  ;)

Try Google to see if you can find out how to get into the service menu on that TV. 

Unless you're just looking for an excuse to buy a new one... ;)

I've been trying to use this logic on my wife for a while now.  Fail....

LeeThorogood said:

Great work on the upscaling dark_jedi! I know you are only playing around/testing things at the moment but I am curious if you know roughly how long it would take to upscale the whole film using the latest method? One last question on the latest sample is that still just the raw GOUT upscaled or have you now moved onto upscaling the V3?

it would take about 6 hours for 720p and about 10 hours for 1080p, times 3 obviously for all movies give or take an hour or two.

dark_jedi said:

LeeThorogood said:

Great work on the upscaling dark_jedi! I know you are only playing around/testing things at the moment but I am curious if you know roughly how long it would take to upscale the whole film using the latest method? One last question on the latest sample is that still just the raw GOUT upscaled or have you now moved onto upscaling the V3?

it would take about 6 hours for 720p and about 10 hours for 1080p, times 3 obviously for all movies give or take an hour or two.

That's pretty fast! Are you planning on releasing these the same time you release the regular V3 Set?

The Aluminum Falcon said:

dark_jedi said:

LeeThorogood said:

Great work on the upscaling dark_jedi! I know you are only playing around/testing things at the moment but I am curious if you know roughly how long it would take to upscale the whole film using the latest method? One last question on the latest sample is that still just the raw GOUT upscaled or have you now moved onto upscaling the V3?

it would take about 6 hours for 720p and about 10 hours for 1080p, times 3 obviously for all movies give or take an hour or two.

That's pretty fast! Are you planning on releasing these the same time you release the regular V3 Set?

LOL, let's not get ahead of ourselves here, I need input from these samples I post, have you looked at the latest? I will have a 1080p sample up in a few minutes, I need input, plus I am trying more things, there is 1 member in in specific I wish I could collaborate with but I am pretty sure he is against a Blu-ray release, but I sure could use his help for just a bit.

So give me some idea's and feedback here, I can't just take whatever and make that my final, I really want to do a 1080p release but if I have to, I will settle for the wimpier 720p.

Also that time is for rendering the avi file, that is not encoding.

Here is a 1080p sample, still have more to try, if you have suggestions,please let me know.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/0oq8bn

http://www.sendspace.com/file/s4nsab

Quality of dvd upscaling and de-interlacing definitely varies a lot by player.  I've seen some that do it well and some that are unbelievably terrible, with most tending towards passable but not so great.  Seems likely a good render in software would be an improvement over what many players are capable of.  But if you have an Oppo player, or something of similar quality, then you're all set because their video processing is some of the best known to man.  I myself very much want to get an Oppo when I'm able to get into HD, because I sure as heck don't plan on re-buying everything I've got on dvd, so making them look their best is a priority.

Moth3r, thanks for the service menu suggestion.  I found the magic password that let me sort through cryptic menus and got my screen's overscan fixed a bunch.  Still not perfect (can't figure out how to adjust horizontal positioning), but it's much better!

Finished watching ESB V3 on 5.1.  Again, fantastic work DJ.

Hoth is blueish-white, Yoda is green, and Bespin is lovely.  Just as they should be.

I switched audio tracks occasionally and never noticed any sync issues.  All the tracks sound great.  The 5.1 really has the edge, imho.  The sound is so bright and crisp.

The hot lines are a fun touch.  My only suggestion on them is that instead of repeating, when the recording is finished the disc should jump back to the pick list and highlight the next recording.

Again, the LB is awkward.  It happens right as the meteor worm takes a bite at the Falcon.  I know it's not something you can fix DJ, I'm just documenting where it takes place if others are interested.

ROTJ after dinner...

Before I burn, I'm curious. Do I need to use TSMuxer to make this an AVCHD again? I'm running low on DVD-Rs, so I'm just curious.