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xhonzi said:
And as a seriously Christian, I am well aware that Christ's birth was not in the Winter, let alone on 25 Dec (since there wasn't such a thing at the time anyhow). However, it doesn't bother me to celebrate Christ's birth that day or to use symbols lifted from the pagans to do it.
This is exactly how I feel about it. Granted, "Christmas" is essentially the Christianization of a pagan holiday necessitated by the Constantinian Shift and the Edict of Milan. But so what? As with Valentine's Day, Christmas means whatever you make of it. Want to engage in the crass commercialization for the sake of mere materialism? Be my guest. Want to use it as a time to be together with your friends and family and celebrate the passing of the year? No problem there either. Want to see it as a celebration of the birth of Christ? Again, feel free; that's what I do. As Bingo pointed out, no one really knows when He was born, so one date (Dec. 25) is as good as any other for memorial purposes.
Also, personally I think it's silly when certain ultra-conservative Christians refuse to use a Christmas tree because it "has pagan roots." I wonder if they realize that many of their cherished hymns are sung to the tunes of old bar songs...
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Warbler:I give up.
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"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
Akwat Kbrana said:
Also, personally I think it's silly when certain ultra-conservative Christians refuse to use a Christmas tree because it "has pagan roots.
I suppose if they cut the roots off the needles would fall faster, though synthetic trees don't have...oh I get ya. :-)
Bingowings said:
BTW I think Gaffer Tape meant prescribed more than forced, following a set regime of doing or giving things on specific days rather than spontaneously and when the opportunity arises ( please correct me if I'm in error there).
Basically, yes. "Forced" as in "large amount of social pressure to participate," not "do this or you'll be breaking a law or be completely shunned." There are a large number of people who take things like Valentine's Day as a matter of course. If you don't participate, you're a cad, or un-romantic, or cheap. So, for the most part, we capitulate in order to fit in. Good luck trying to get married without a large diamond on a finger-shaped band involved, despite the fact that it no longer serves any purpose.
But, no, Warb, I'm not necessarily trying to advocate abolishing holidays! I guess this is where bkev's "slippery slope (disguised as a red herring)" argument kicks in. Just because I'm applying criticism to something, you seem to think I'm lobbying to completely tear it down. That's simply not true.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
I imagine a lot of men these would get funny looks getting down on one knee and offering his beau a thimble.
I still don't know what to say. But I don't believe holidays are evil
edit: actually I have some things to say:
Gaffer Tape said:
"Forced" as in "large amount of social pressure to participate,"
no one has a gun put to their head.
Gaffer Tape said:
not "do this or you'll be breaking a law
there is no law in the United States forcing you to celebrate any holiday. You know I'd be against that.
Gaffer Tape said:
or be completely shunned."
are Jews in the U.S.A. shunned because they don't celebrate Christmas? I don't think so.
Gaffer Tape said:
But, no, Warb, I'm not necessarily trying to advocate abolishing holidays!
you sure sound like you are.
for the record: The first Valentines Day I have a significant other, she will get the works. Candy, a dozen roses, and some sort Jewelry(within the limits that I can afford). If I decide to marry her, she get the best diamond ring I can afford.
Well... good. Neither do I... I never said or implied they were.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
Gaffer Tape said:
I never said or implied they were.
you sure about the underlined?
Gaffer Tape said: There are a large number of people who take things like Valentine's Day as a matter of course. If you don't participate, you're a cad, or un-romantic, or cheap.
then I assume you tell your family and friend not buy anything at Christmas and other holidays.
See, there you go again. Why is it all or nothing with you? Just because I have a criticism of something doesn't mean I'm dismissing it out of hand. I have a lot of criticisms about the Star Wars trilogy, but, just because I state them doesn't mean I'm lobbying for them to be destroyed and no one to ever watch them. So, no, I never implied that holidays were evil. Yes, I am absolutely sure about that part. I'm sorry you interpret it that way.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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I'll debate this when I am not drunk.
How? Simply because I was critical of them? Because there are aspects of Valentine's Day I don't agree with? Do I have to be in full, dogmatic support of something for you to believe I don't think it's evil? Can't there be any middle ground?
EDIT: Didn't see Warb's edit. I guess I'll debate this when I'm not in a really terrible mood and desperately want to punch something. But since I don't think I said anything offensive or in anger, I'm leaving my post as it is.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
Gaffer, I'm sorry I've made you angry. I made this personal, when I shouldn't have. I'm sorry.
No, you didn't make me angry. You were just starting to make me annoyed. And I also don't think you made it personal. At least, I didn't get that impression. Then again, it's not for me to tell you what you were implying. ^_~
I was already in a bad mood. I've been in one for years all day.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
Gaffer Tape said:
I was already in a bad mood. I've been in one for years all day.
if this is what I think it is about, you know you have my complete sympathy.
Gaffer Tape said:
But since I don't think I said anything offensive or in anger, I'm leaving my post as it is.
that's fine. I don't think you did say anything offensive or in anger. I wish I could be more like you.
I love the irony of Warb's constant references to cigarettes as 'cancer sticks' (which to some extent they are) while getting tanked up and posting three sheets to the wind.
I don't know, is that really irony?
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TV's Frink said:
I don't know, is that really irony?
I think so, Warb's attitude to smoking was rather puritanical (even one cigar, once in a while is evil lung solvent and poisons the air) and he yet risks liver disease etc and all the potential anti-social aspects of heavy drinking (something I have to deal with regularly and is pretty much analogous with passive smoking).
I got very drunk over Christmas and can't remember much of the experience but it would be ironic if while drunk I went around pontificating to all the sober smokers I met about effects of passive smoking.
Ric Olie said:
Ric Olie loves all of you...
...except for Panaka the douche.
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"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
Warbler said:
Gaffer Tape said:
I was already in a bad mood. I've been in one for years all day.
if this is what I think it is about, you know you have my complete sympathy.
Gaffer Tape said:
But since I don't think I said anything offensive or in anger, I'm leaving my post as it is.that's fine. I don't think you did say anything offensive or in anger. I wish I could be more like you.
Come on, you two. Cuddle and make nice. It's free.
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
I say go with either a high five or kick in the balls. Those are free too.