Warbler said:

Bingowings said: If you give something to someone because of the date how is that special? Leap years aside, every year has the same dates in it.

are you joking?

While I'm not necessarily demeaning all pre-conceived dates, what is it you think he's joking about? He's simply saying that a spontaneous act of affection is what makes a date special and arguing that a forced act of affection committed simply because of a date is not.

And, yeah... Jesus's birthday is (most likely) not December 25th. Existing pagan festivals were adapted to become the majority of what we know as modern Christmas. I was under the impression everyone knew that. So, again, what's the problem?