Now this is the point where I just start ignoring Star Wars and watching other movies.
Someone give me a phone call when the OOT comes back out.
We can't ignore SW when it is deteriorating frame by frame every minute we are speaking. People call me insane for telling the truth, when in reality it is they who are delusional and assume the OOT is going to be released and the clock is going to magically turn back to 1996. 72,000 out of 6 billion people is not loud enough to stop LFL.
BTW, if someone brings up the LOC prints:
1. Do not have ROTJ as of this posting
2. The ESB print may or may not be the SE/ and is in worse shape than the copy of ANH
3. They won't become public domain until 2047-2053, which by then their usability could be in question
4. No one should have to wait 40 years to see the OOT in modern AV quality.
I don't think anyone here claimed that the OOT was supposed to be released in the near future just after this Bluray?
However insisting on its release only occurring after Lucas' death orsomething as the only possibility is equally silly.
The guys up there appear to have lost some of their marbles, and no one can predict when they change their minds next.
Just to throw it out there, I personally happen to not really care that much about this issue personally (as long as the original films, or snippets of them, are in some form or shape on youtube or the internet, or Laserdisc, it's fine with me, but I do understand the objective importance of this all.
generalfrevious wrote:
BTW, if someone brings up the LOC prints:
1. Do not have ROTJ as of this posting
2. The ESB print may or may not be the SE/ and is in worse shape than the copy of ANH
1. incorrect. Here's the LOC 'Return of the Jedi' public record:
Under 'Description; you'll read 35mm ref print. and under 'Acquisition Source' the date 6/15/83.
You are mixing up the general Library of Congress with the LOC's Nation Film Archive. Two separate organizations, under one roof. Almost all works published at least one or two copies are send to the LOC for archiving and copyright verification. The LOC-NFA is a recent body created to preserve currently considered 'culturally valuable' works. The public votes, so submit your vote for the Holiday Special today. http://www.loc.gov/film/
2. there are multiple SW and ESB's in the archives. the LOC has at least one, and the LOC-NFA has a different one. The ESB LOC-NFA print hasn't even arrived yet.
4. No one should have to wait 40 years to see the OOT in modern AV quality.
Then write a letter to your Congress persons explaining to them why current copyright legislation is faulty.
It's too bad blu-ray is in the middle of 2 opposing groups. The smaller group that thinks its perfect for film presentation and history etc., and the bigger technophile group that just loves home theater and gets really into it to avoid talking to their wives. Those guys will sit through 10 Jedi Rocks if the matte lines are gone. And it's like the perfect storm when you add a guy like Lucas. (And not just him, there might be some compulsion with certain older directors to monkey around with their old movies just to feel like they're still in the game. Walter Hill did it with The Warriors, Friedkin too.)
Baronlando said:
It's too bad blu-ray is in the middle of 2 opposing groups. The smaller group that thinks its perfect for film presentation and history etc., and the bigger technophile group that just loves home theater and gets really into it to avoid talking to their wives. Those guys will sit through 10 Jedi Rocks if the matte lines are gone. And it's like the perfect storm when you add a guy like Lucas. (And not just him, there might be some compulsion with certain older directors to monkey around with their old movies just to feel like they're still in the game. Walter Hill did it with The Warriors, Friedkin too.)
That's the thing- GL is the center of all this. If his behavior wasn't like this, there would be no debate and we'd be enjoying the OOT as it should be seen.
This thread makes me sad.
Well yeah GL is at the center, but his behavior would be totally different if he didn't get such blind, unwavering support for his normal m.o.
Yes, this forum is sad.
What has become a source of joy has now become a source of pain. Deep down, we cannot enjoy the films as we want to. If we cannot enjoy the very thing that made us fans of the said thing, what can we honestly do with ourselves?
Go outside for a bit?
TV's Frink said:
Go outside for a bit?
Out......what?
Star Wars Episode XXX: Erica Strikes Back
If you want Nice, go to France
TV's Frink said:
Go outside for a bit?
I do get outside a lot
Davnes007 said:
TV's Frink said:
Go outside for a bit?
Out......what?
I'm sure he means... IIIIn SPAAAAAAAACEEE!!!!!
PS: "Pain"? Really? I mean, come on, the most important and iconic scenes in those films weren't even touched. I mean, Han shot first, that stupid Mos Eisley arrival, Jedi Rocks... everything else is just nitpicking and can't be this... PAINful.
The changes aren't painful, it's more like sitting next to a guy who just keeps farting the whole movie.
none said:
generalfrevious wrote:
BTW, if someone brings up the LOC prints:
1. Do not have ROTJ as of this posting
2. The ESB print may or may not be the SE/ and is in worse shape than the copy of ANH
1. incorrect. Here's the LOC 'Return of the Jedi' public record:
Under 'Description; you'll read 35mm ref print. and under 'Acquisition Source' the date 6/15/83.
You are mixing up the general Library of Congress with the LOC's Nation Film Archive. Two separate organizations, under one roof. Almost all works published at least one or two copies are send to the LOC for archiving and copyright verification. The LOC-NFA is a recent body created to preserve currently considered 'culturally valuable' works. The public votes, so submit your vote for the Holiday Special today. http://www.loc.gov/film/
2. there are multiple SW and ESB's in the archives. the LOC has at least one, and the LOC-NFA has a different one. The ESB LOC-NFA print hasn't even arrived yet.
Unfortunately, the copies submitted to LOC for copyright won't be useful when the films become public domain. I doubt they even have proper film storage procedures for those (i.e. temperature, humidity control), they probably just put the cans in a box in a room. In fact, they probably are completely red right now and will never be useful for anything, even today. ROTJ might have been printed on LPP low-fade since it was introduced in 1982, but even if it was those are still not as reliable as people say, and they were only ever said to last for 75 years or so, which is less than a full copyright term anyway. Other than the Technicolor print and a handful of LPP prints, release prints of at least SW and ESB aren't archival and probably ceased being viewable or salvageable some time in the 1990s.
twooffour said:
Davnes007 said:
TV's Frink said:
Go outside for a bit?
Out......what?
I'm sure he means... IIIIn SPAAAAAAAACEEE!!!!!
PS: "Pain"? Really? I mean, come on, the most important and iconic scenes in those films weren't even touched. I mean, Han shot first, that stupid Mos Eisley arrival, Jedi Rocks... everything else is just nitpicking and can't be this... PAINful.
Are you sure about that? ;)
Because these were important iconic images to me!
Where were you in '77?
Baronlando said:
The changes aren't painful, it's more like sitting next to a guy who just keeps farting the whole movie.
Oh, but that'd be painful :D
SilverWook said:
twooffour said:
Davnes007 said:
TV's Frink said:
Go outside for a bit?
Out......what?
I'm sure he means... IIIIn SPAAAAAAAACEEE!!!!!
PS: "Pain"? Really? I mean, come on, the most important and iconic scenes in those films weren't even touched. I mean, Han shot first, that stupid Mos Eisley arrival, Jedi Rocks... everything else is just nitpicking and can't be this... PAINful.
Are you sure about that? ;)
Because these were important iconic images to me!
Oh sorry, about that, totally forgot the Anakin ghost one, how could I? Yea, that truly sucked - what I liked was the alternate ending music instead of the silly "yub nub", but they should've left out Coruscant and fucking Jar Jar. "Weesa free"... what??! Stupid.
The shock... rings... were sort of silly and distracting, but meh, can't say I have any particular problem with them. I mean, they're just... there... and that's it. "Shock rings" are really cool in nuclear mushrooms, but do they really make sense in space? But who cares about that, right?
As for young Anakin, there are few words to describe just how much that one sucks... which really means there are lots. I mean, Lucas just took this shot from an EpIII scene, without Christensen's knowledge!
Now could Anakin have smiled and then looked down at his feet in humility twice the same way? I guess it's possible... anything is possible in Star Wars. But you know what I think? I think Lucas is being fucking cheap... cheap like my wife, that's why I killed her in that fake house fi- I mean
If memory serves, Hayden here was composed of stock footage; I believe he didn't even know he'd been put in until afterwards.
A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em
That explains why he's still got that child-molester grin then.
bkev said:
If memory serves, Hayden here was composed of stock footage; I believe he didn't even know he'd been put in until afterwards.
Not stock footage, the part where Obi-Wan goes off to fight Grievous and Anakin gazes after him. Look and compare.
And no, PALPATINE has the pedo smile, not Anakin.
Anakin smiles like a horny dudebro speaking highschool jock .
Hence stock-footage. It wasn't shot for the purposes of the scene, unlike occasional SE shots (such as Boba Fett in the new Jabba scene).
A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em
Even if the changes were better, ultimately, the most distracting thing is just the ever-present knowledge that this guy can't be bothered to do something so incredibly basic when selling his product. With all the hard work and effort many other people do to put out the best possible value for your bucks, that is some feeble shit, who wants to support that? (Seriously, right now, people are scouring the earth, looking in vaults for years at a time, following paper trails, hunched over in a lab, to make a great transfer of some movie you've never heard of that'll sell about 62 copies.)
