Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!) — Page 82

Ghostbusters said:

I don't understand why LFL wants such a hefty price for these blu-rays when they don't even include the OT, something millions of fans want, but they include a crappy version we already have in higher resolution. Maybe if LFL would give us want we want, they wouldn't have such a problem with tracking down bootlegs/illegal file sharing. 

Yeah, but then they wouldn't be able to quadruple-dip the spending masses. "OMG, Star Wars on blu-ray! What? It's not the original versions? Oh well, it'll do." Why give everyone what they want when you can bait and switch?

That said, I really will be surprised if LFL doesn't eventually do a proper restoration of the original versions at some point, even if it's not until 2017. I dunno, it just seems like it keeps getting built up and built up and after this recent "no comment" from LFL after they got asked for the umpteenmillionth time about the original versions, you'd think they would, I dunno, TAKE A FUCKING HINT.

I just really don't see what Lucas would be accomplishing by never getting around to it. I mean, is he hoping that after he says "no" for the umpteenbillionth time we'll just give up and stop asking? Maybe then he'll convince himself that people really don't want the OOT and it's not even worth the time and effort to restore it and press out the discs because no one will buy them (okay, that sounds a little too Howard Hughes).

Waiting to release it for the sake of double-dipping and making money is annoying, but that's business, I get it. These are some of the only movies LFL owns the rights to and they happen to be the most successful movies of all time. Not to sound jaded and cynical, but if you were LFL wouldn't you be milking these movies for all they're worth?

I'd be willing to wait for a proper blu-ray of the OOT, even if they are the last three movies released on the format.

Refusing to ever release it at all, on the other hand, is just pure lunacy.

Fang Zei said:

Ghostbusters said:

I don't understand why LFL wants such a hefty price for these blu-rays when they don't even include the OT, something millions of fans want, but they include a crappy version we already have in higher resolution. Maybe if LFL would give us want we want, they wouldn't have such a problem with tracking down bootlegs/illegal file sharing. 

Yeah, but then they wouldn't be able to quadruple-dip the spending masses. "OMG, Star Wars on blu-ray! What? It's not the original versions? Oh well, it'll do." Why give everyone what they want when you can bait and switch?

That said, I really will be surprised if LFL doesn't eventually do a proper restoration of the original versions at some point, even if it's not until 2017. I dunno, it just seems like it keeps getting built up and built up and after this recent "no comment" from LFL after they got asked for the umpteenmillionth time about the original versions, you'd think they would, I dunno, TAKE A FUCKING HINT.

I just really don't see what Lucas would be accomplishing by never getting around to it. I mean, is he hoping that after he says "no" for the umpteenbillionth time we'll just give up and stop asking? Maybe then he'll convince himself that people really don't want the OOT and it's not even worth the time and effort to restore it and press out the discs because no one will buy them (okay, that sounds a little too Howard Hughes).

Waiting to release it for the sake of double-dipping and making money is annoying, but that's business, I get it. These are some of the only movies LFL owns the rights to and they happen to be the most successful movies of all time. Not to sound jaded and cynical, but if you were LFL wouldn't you be milking these movies for all they're worth?

I'd be willing to wait for a proper blu-ray of the OOT, even if they are the last three movies released on the format.

Refusing to ever release it at all, on the other hand, is just pure lunacy.

He ain't getting my money with these blu-rays. The only versions I have bought retail so far is the 2004 DVDs. I'm not buying another version retail until the OT gets the respect it deserves. I will buy the blu-ray set on ebay or download it or something, my money is not going directly to Lucas, he can kiss my ass.

Call me strange, but I'd actually really like it if we got a standalone release of the OOT on blu-ray without the SEs included.

Ghostbusters said:

I will buy the blu-ray set on ebay or download it or something, my money is not going directly to Lucas, he can kiss my ass.

Oh good, you're a pirate.  Congratulations!

TV's Frink said:

Ghostbusters said:

I will buy the blu-ray set on ebay or download it or something, my money is not going directly to Lucas, he can kiss my ass.

Oh good, you're a pirate.  Congratulations!

I will download it from a legal site of course.

Ghostbusters said:

TV's Frink said:

Ghostbusters said:

I will buy the blu-ray set on ebay or download it or something, my money is not going directly to Lucas, he can kiss my ass.

Oh good, you're a pirate.  Congratulations!

I will download it from a legal site of course.

What legal site would this be?

TV's Frink said:

Ghostbusters said:

TV's Frink said:

Ghostbusters said:

I will buy the blu-ray set on ebay or download it or something, my money is not going directly to Lucas, he can kiss my ass.

Oh good, you're a pirate.  Congratulations!

I will download it from a legal site of course.

What legal site would this be?

SOMEONE'S INSINUATING THAT SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT BE A PIRATE, QUICK, INTERROGATE HIM, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO STOP HIM FROM HIS PIRATE WAYS

We might be able to stop him from announcing it on this site, which is a really dumb thing to do.

There should be no tolerance for even a hint of piracy.

Shiver me timbers?

It's not like he's posting torrent links or something. Someone earlier said they freely download fanedits without owning the originals, and you didn't jump on him.

When was this?

TV's Frink said:

We might be able to stop him from announcing it on this site, which is a really dumb thing to do.

There should be no tolerance for even a hint of piracy.

More specifically, actually no tolerance for HINTS of piracy, lots of tolerance for piracy :D

Seriously, who's going to track down some user who said he'd go to SOME pirate site and MAYBE download a copy of some DVD or bluray that hasn't even been released yet? When he's downloading or uploading torrents, there's a small probability... but this way? Meh.

As long as it's Jorge, pirates is alright with me.

TV's Frink said:

When was this?

I tried to search for a bit and couldn't find it. I think chainsaw ash said it, but I can't seem to find the actual posts about it.

A lot of attention gets drawn to that sort of thing when you're pointing it out like that. Wouldn't it make more sense just to send a PM?

The reason why Frink jumps on people who freely admit 'willful copyright infringement' is for the sake of the forum.  This place exists because people talk about the actual works and their creative and cultural value.  If every thread turned into here's where to get this and that, and I never bought that but watched this, no legal body would have any issue closing the place down.  If you'd like OT.com to continue, consider the implications of your typing.

If the past has any bearing on the future, dvd and blu-ray releases show up pre-sales date.  Star Wars and the piracy story go hand and hand, from 1977 film duplicates to the color lab leak of ROTS.  Every step of the way, for every movie, someone has gone to jail for a Star Wars copy.  The blu-ray will not be an exception.  In the US the FBI/ICE have been expanding their take down of domains, don't be surprised when the SW blu-ray leads to some sites going offline.  Even places like this.

Avatar is probably the best selling blu-ray so far, and there were many articles about the piracy aspect of it's release.  The MPAA and other trade organizations are eagerly awaiting the next big release (ie SW) to re-send their message in a more forceful way.  Some sites taken down will be legitimate, others just get caught in the cross fire.  Do you want to have OTcom's owner, have to make the decision of fighting a court case or closing shop?  All too easy...

+1

Exactly. It's for the sake of this site, not for the sake of morals.

Because we all know, morally, Lucas has been ripping us off with the last 2 DVD releases.

Ghostbusters, I don't see how buying it from ebay or a 'legal site' makes it any less money in lucas's pocket. If you're buying it via digital distribution that's more in his pocket if anything - no manufacturing costs. Ebay and you're still contributing to the market and depriving someone of a used copy, who will then go ahead and buy the retail one.

none said:

The reason why Frink jumps on people who freely admit 'willful copyright infringement' is for the sake of the forum.  This place exists because people talk about the actual works and their creative and cultural value.  If every thread turned into here's where to get this and that, and I never bought that but watched this, no legal body would have any issue closing the place down.  If you'd like OT.com to continue, consider the implications of your typing.

If the past has any bearing on the future, dvd and blu-ray releases show up pre-sales date.  Star Wars and the piracy story go hand and hand, from 1977 film duplicates to the color lab leak of ROTS.  Every step of the way, for every movie, someone has gone to jail for a Star Wars copy.  The blu-ray will not be an exception.  In the US the FBI/ICE have been expanding their take down of domains, don't be surprised when the SW blu-ray leads to some sites going offline.  Even places like this.

Avatar is probably the best selling blu-ray so far, and there were many articles about the piracy aspect of it's release.  The MPAA and other trade organizations are eagerly awaiting the next big release (ie SW) to re-send their message in a more forceful way.  Some sites taken down will be legitimate, others just get caught in the cross fire.  Do you want to have OTcom's owner, have to make the decision of fighting a court case or closing shop?  All too easy...

So the FBI will track down that one post where one dude kinda says "download it" from somewhere, and close the forum because of that?

Hey, Frink insisted on the original poster giving up the "legal" site, right, so who'd be more at fault here? It's not like we were trading torrent links, right?

And for the record, I'VE NEVER DOWNLOADED NO MOVIE FROM NO AMBIGUOUS PLACE OR SITE IN MY LIFE! My home's full of legally obtained DVDs lying all over the place... wanna come over and see?

brash_stryker said:

Exactly. It's for the sake of this site, not for the sake of morals.

Because we all know, morally, Lucas has been ripping us off with the last 2 DVD releases.

Ghostbusters, I don't see how buying it from ebay or a 'legal site' makes it any less money in lucas's pocket. If you're buying it via digital distribution that's more in his pocket if anything - no manufacturing costs. Ebay and you're still contributing to the market and depriving someone of a used copy, who will then go ahead and buy the retail one.

... or go for the dozens of other offers. Point is, if enough people put the DVDs on Ebay after buying them, more people will own them without having paid the manufacturer, causing the manufacturer to lose some of the profit.

Not that it mattered to me, anyways - I don't care about ideals or boycotts, if I'd be interested in buying that BluRay, I'd do it. I'm not.

Back on topic:

I'm curious how Lucas is going to re-package the movies further down the line. TPM in 3D should be hitting theaters this time next year. Will he release a bd3d of it later on in 2012? Meanwhile, will the PT, OT and Saga boxes still be the only way of getting those movies or will he do individual releases sooner rather than later? It would be great if they made the bd3d of TPM an all-out multi-disc ultimate edition, complete with the theatrical cut.

Here's the big picture to consider: LFL can only re-package these movies so many times before they run out of new shit to sell us. This initial blu-ray release will give us the deleted scenes, plus the novelty of watching the PT and the messed-up version of the OT in hi-def video and audio (....woohoo). Then, as the movies are converted into 3D, we'll get those on video as well. Just what the hell do they have left to sell us after that besides the holy grail that is the OOT?

Fang Zei said:

Back on topic:

I'm curious how Lucas is going to re-package the movies further down the line. TPM in 3D should be hitting theaters this time next year. Will he release a bd3d of it later on in 2012? Meanwhile, will the PT, OT and Saga boxes still be the only way of getting those movies or will he do individual releases sooner rather than later? It would be great if they made the bd3d of TPM an all-out multi-disc ultimate edition, complete with the theatrical cut.

Here's the big picture to consider: LFL can only re-package these movies so many times before they run out of new shit to sell us. This initial blu-ray release will give us the deleted scenes, plus the novelty of watching the PT and the messed-up version of the OT in hi-def video and audio (....woohoo). Then, as the movies are converted into 3D, we'll get those on video as well. Just what the hell do they have left to sell us after that besides the holy grail that is the OOT?

They could release the Ewok movies, the old clone wars series, the new clone wars series, the droids cartoon, etc etc a hundred times on Blu-ray before they release the "holy grail." Then it would come in DVD quality on a Blu-ray. And then we would have to wait until the next format for a HD quality version of the OOT, which by that time will be inferior to whatever future standards people will have. 

And since Lucas is a billionaire and can afford medical procedures to prolong his life, he will still be in charge of LFL and block the release for decades to come. Plus he will have released more SW related garbage, including the sequel trilogy, which in my opinion (if released) will be worse than the PT.

Bottom line, LFL will not release the OOT for as long as they possibly can.

generalfrevious said:

Fang Zei said:

Back on topic:

I'm curious how Lucas is going to re-package the movies further down the line. TPM in 3D should be hitting theaters this time next year. Will he release a bd3d of it later on in 2012? Meanwhile, will the PT, OT and Saga boxes still be the only way of getting those movies or will he do individual releases sooner rather than later? It would be great if they made the bd3d of TPM an all-out multi-disc ultimate edition, complete with the theatrical cut.

Here's the big picture to consider: LFL can only re-package these movies so many times before they run out of new shit to sell us. This initial blu-ray release will give us the deleted scenes, plus the novelty of watching the PT and the messed-up version of the OT in hi-def video and audio (....woohoo). Then, as the movies are converted into 3D, we'll get those on video as well. Just what the hell do they have left to sell us after that besides the holy grail that is the OOT?

They could release the Ewok movies, the old clone wars series, the new clone wars series, the droids cartoon, etc etc a hundred times on Blu-ray before they release the "holy grail." Then it would come in DVD quality on a Blu-ray. And then we would have to wait until the next format for a HD quality version of the OOT, which by that time will be inferior to whatever future standards people will have. 

And since Lucas is a billionaire and can afford medical procedures to prolong his life, he will still be in charge of LFL and block the release for decades to come. Plus he will have released more SW related garbage, including the sequel trilogy, which in my opinion (if released) will be worse than the PT.

Bottom line, LFL will not release the OOT for as long as they possibly can.

I didn't know going outside and working out costed lots of money only a billionaire can afford... in fact, Lucas may be not the fattest man on the planet, but you get the point.

Probably the stupidest thing I've read on these forums so far.

twooffour said:

generalfrevious said:

Fang Zei said:

Back on topic:

I'm curious how Lucas is going to re-package the movies further down the line. TPM in 3D should be hitting theaters this time next year. Will he release a bd3d of it later on in 2012? Meanwhile, will the PT, OT and Saga boxes still be the only way of getting those movies or will he do individual releases sooner rather than later? It would be great if they made the bd3d of TPM an all-out multi-disc ultimate edition, complete with the theatrical cut.

Here's the big picture to consider: LFL can only re-package these movies so many times before they run out of new shit to sell us. This initial blu-ray release will give us the deleted scenes, plus the novelty of watching the PT and the messed-up version of the OT in hi-def video and audio (....woohoo). Then, as the movies are converted into 3D, we'll get those on video as well. Just what the hell do they have left to sell us after that besides the holy grail that is the OOT?

They could release the Ewok movies, the old clone wars series, the new clone wars series, the droids cartoon, etc etc a hundred times on Blu-ray before they release the "holy grail." Then it would come in DVD quality on a Blu-ray. And then we would have to wait until the next format for a HD quality version of the OOT, which by that time will be inferior to whatever future standards people will have. 

And since Lucas is a billionaire and can afford medical procedures to prolong his life, he will still be in charge of LFL and block the release for decades to come. Plus he will have released more SW related garbage, including the sequel trilogy, which in my opinion (if released) will be worse than the PT.

Bottom line, LFL will not release the OOT for as long as they possibly can.

 

I didn't know going outside and working out costed lots of money only a billionaire can afford... in fact, Lucas may be not the fattest man on the planet, but you get the point.

Probably the stupidest thing I've read on these forums so far.

What?! I didn't mean that. I meant GL would probably have some sort of medical procedure that would make him live to be 100, like some sort of stem cell procedure or some life-saving operation that ordinary people couldn't afford. I hate to be off-topic, but in the US has some of the most advanced medical technologies in the world- but only the wealthy can afford these so-called technologies.

Anyways, don't call me stupid for assuming that GL will delay the release of the originals as much as he can (although you probably called me stupid on account of not thinking about exercise as a way of prolonging life). I am only trying to be realistic about a collective of insane people known as Lucasfilm Ltd.

As far as I know, "life-saving operations" aren't anywhere as dependent on "wealth" as, say, beauty surgeries and the like.

Actual "stem cell" therapies that are implemented on patients, rather than being the object of research and studies, to my knowledge, is mainly limited to bone marrow transplantation and the treatment of leukemia and the like - and since when do people only get treated for cancer when they're billionaires?!

What if he's diagnosed with Stage IV at some point in his life and there's simply NO TREATMENT FOR IT? Can he still live 100 years because, you know, billionaires with some meat on their bones generally do that?

What was stupid of you was bringing up this "topic" in that context in the first place, at all. Hey, maybe he makes it so that no one will have the right to release the OOT 70 years after his death, then none of this will matter anyway. I mean, why not? ;)