Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!) — Page 80

Sorry for going WAY off-topic.  I'll let you guys have your say and drop this.  Maybe I'll make an off-topic thread! :D

There's a difference from what I'm talking about and crappy demo tapes from horrible bands. :)

Just because something is free doesn't mean it's valueless.  What about Star Wars Revisited?  That's free. ;) (yeah yeah, I know it's based on something that's not).  What about the articles Zombie posts on his web page?  Surely those aren't worthless.

How can you say the quality of free music isn't good if you haven't even bothered to listen?  Some of it depends on the style of music you like.  You're not going to find these huge overblown productions like in some popular music, but what you've done is essentially call my music worthless (without even hearing it) because I don't make people buy it.  I don't shove these albums in peoples faces at my shows.  If they want them, they're free to take them.  I've spent thousands of dollars on software and equipment, so I'm not some guy playing a guitar into his computer mic or anything ;)  (I'm not trying to say my music is good, that's up to the listener, I'm trying to say that professional sounding music is completely doable from your home in these modern times).

So should I sell my music and then encourage people to pirate it?  Would that make it seem valuable?  :D

I was just trying to give you guys a view of the pirating situation from a musicians eye.  If you have a minute to kill, watch this video and tell me this music is worthless (vocals start after a little bit):  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_728Osa1RA

This album is available for free, and no it's not mine. ;)  Can you honestly tell me that doesn't have the same artistic merit and sound quality as a commercial release?

Sorry for ranting, but I wasn't expecting so much pessimism.  My Liberal use of smileys is to let you know I'm not raving mad or anything!

*flashes peace sign*

So...Star Wars on Blu-ray anyone?

Sounds expensive.

Heh, sorry.

As for Star Wars on Blu, the only way I'll buy it is if Adywan ends up sourcing it for any of his revisited projects.

Hi guys!  I'm not only a music geek, I'm a Star Wars geek. ;)

Not to mention that there's very little actual singing talent around now, and much of it is fixed in post. How can you call yourself a singer if your voice has to be altered to be in tune?

Back to the Blu Ray release. When they say they've found all this extra stuff, what's the bet that it's only a tiny amount of it we'll actually get, and the juicier stuff will be held back for a future release?

adywan said:

Darth Id said:

Of course it makes sense.

I've thrown away just about every free CD I've ever been handed.  Only listened to about half of them.  Giving it away diminishes the perceived value off the bat.  (Case in point: eiyosus has linked to an undoubted boundless universe of free music...that I am in no way whatsoever interested in accessing, because the price ($0) is a reliable signal of the likely value of the content (zilch).)

And besides, production value is important, and if the investment into it has been made, it has to be recouped.

Thats got to be the biggest load of rubbish i have read. Just because something is free doesn't mean that it's going to be crap. So you're not interested in any music unless it has high production values and a lot of money was ploughed into it? Well you are missing out on a lot of great music. I guess you're only into all this Pop Idol type crap then?  Just because something has had a high end  production job doesn't mean that its going to be great music or a great artist. Most likely nowadays its the opposite. Look at all the great music around from great artist that have stood the test of time. Many times they just went into a studio, played the songs and things were recorded on the fly. Production values mean crap. If it's a good song then it wouldn't matter if it had a million pound spent on production or it was recorded in one take in a studio.

There are shit loads of great artists out there that just don't get a chance to break into the industry because reality TV like Pop idol and the X-factor have all but killed the music industry, not piracy. Most bands/ artists are manufactured nowadays and are just puppets of the record industry, told what to sing and how to sing it. The only people making any money out of the record industry now are the record companies. Musicians only make money now from touring. 

So what are these artists supposed to do now the industry is so tightly closed? The internet has allowed people to get their music heard. And they can give it away for free. So does this make their music crap. hell no. Even some of the larger established artists are starting to give away their tracks/ albums for free now on the net

Anyway this thread has gone so far off topic its time to bring it back.

Now we know that Luke constructing his lightsabre has been confirmed, there's another scene i really hope that they include in the deleted scenes of the OT. And that is the Dagobah lightsabre training from ESB. After coming across these photos the other day, the scene  has been filmed:

Holy crap!  Of ALL the people to back me up, it's the great Adywan himself! :D  I just think it's funny that somebody would dismiss free music as crap, despite the fact that many DIY musicians now have access to the same software the big boys use.  Seriously, watch that youtube vid I posted and tell me you would have known it wasn't professionally made and released.

And besides, Adywan himself is proof you can do great things from home. 

Back to Blu. what I'd REALLY like to see are deleted scenes nobody even knows exists (if there are any).  Sure we all know about the sandstorm and the extra wampa's, but is there anything else that has never even been spoken of?  I'd also like to see some footage of Yoda test puppets (if any were ever made).  Was anything altered before the final puppet was sculpted?  Stuff like that.

TV's Frink said:

So...Star Wars on Blu-ray anyone?

 No thanks.

watch that youtube vid I posted

Pass.

I guess you're only into all this Pop Idol type crap then?

I don't know what that is.

But in any event, I doubt highly it bears any relation to music like of Montreal or Mars Volta, the two current bands I cited as having worthwhile production values.  Regarding the former, moreover, Kevin Barnes has done everything DIY-style in his basement (with the exception of the latest, uncommonly weak, record).  Production value doesn't mean necessarily expensive studio work, [Edit: It certainly isn't a matter of "software"!--Id.]but only something requiring exacting attention--and very unlikely to be given away for free.

And with respect to pricing as signal to the market, please refer to the work of economist Ludwig von Mises.

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Darth Id said:

watch that youtube vid I posted

Pass.

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So the guy who refuses to take 20 seconds to skip around in a youtube vid can say ALL free music is worthless...........

So if some record company signed one of these people, that would automatically make their music worthwhile? :rolls eyes:

I like Of Montreal and Mars Volta, btw.  I'm not linking some 17 year old wannabee rock star. ;)

But hey, at least we agree on not being excited about Star Wars on Bluray!

Some of the best musicians in the world are the un-signed, weekend band, buskers, and unknown because they have a passion and do it for the love of music. The music biz these days is pure crap. There is a small handfull of talented musicians in the "spotlight". Most are old school. Most of todays music and "musicians" are manufactured by the suits. It's sad really.

Anyway, Star Wars on blu-ray...

the "no comment" quote makes me wonder, is there a future release of the OOT? I would say yes. First you have to buy the upcoming box set to get all the deleted scenes and good stuff, then they will release another set down the road with the OOT. Typical Lucas.

Darth Id said:

TV's Frink said:

So...Star Wars on Blu-ray anyone?

 No thanks.

watch that youtube vid I posted

Pass.

I guess you're only into all this Pop Idol type crap then?

I don't know what that is.

But in any event, I doubt highly it bears any relation to music like of Montreal or Mars Volta, the two current bands I cited as having worthwhile production values.  Regarding the former, moreover, Kevin Barnes has done everything DIY-style in his basement (with the exception of the latest, uncommonly weak, record).  Production value doesn't mean necessarily expensive studio work, [Edit: It certainly isn't a matter of "software"!--Id.]but only something requiring exacting attention--and very unlikely to be given away for free.

And with respect to pricing as signal to the market, please refer to the work of economist Ludwig von Mises.

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Almost every student at my music conservatory is a better, more accurate singer than, say, Billie Joel Armstrong from Green Day, and they don't get any money from the regular school concerts they voluntarily sign up to.

Sure, they're students planning to eventually make money with their music, but they're VERY GOOD ALREADY.

If you really think "exacting attention" is only invested into a musical production, or performance, if there's gonna be money for it, you're just a great pillock who doesn't know what he's talking about. And someone who blatantly refuses to look into concrete examples by discussion opponents should shut the fuck up, anyway.

Haven't we all experienced how "high production values" AND the "offering for money" accompanied by huge success, can still result in an awful series of films? Shouldn't that prove once and for all that no, the two are NOT correlated, and if the producers think the mass will swallow the product as long as it's got fancy 'splosions, fat pumping bass beats and titillating lyrics about sex, they'll put some effort into that but can, and most probably WILL treat any other important aspect such as acting or original composition work just as sloppily and lazily as a bunch of amateur hacks would?

I'm not giving away hints here :)

Ok, perhaps it's time for someone to go create a "free music vs paid music" thread in off-topic so we can get back to SW on Blu.

I really hate that scene with the lightsaber in the cave. It's just horrible forced exposition in every way possible. A SCREWDRIVER? Really?

And Mr Armstrong has a more distinctive voice than most of the so called pop stars out there.

I was in Edinburgh yesterday and wandered into HMV just to check on the general prices of things.

They were playing something which I suppose could be described as music over the speakers (just found out it was Bruno Mars).

The lyrics were tedious, the soundscape was largely featureless and micro-fluffed and the vocalist was as vocoded as a 1960's Cyberman.

It actually made me feel ill like choking on over perfumed air freshener.

The scene looks like the metal bar cutting scene shown in the comic (first attempt Luke misses a metal bar thrown by Yoda at towards the end of his stay he can cut it into four...I think he is meant to cut it into seven or something).

twooffour said:

I really hate that scene with the lightsaber in the cave. It's just horrible forced exposition in every way possible. A SCREWDRIVER? Really?

I'm hoping it remains a bonus and isn't re-integrated into the film...

20th Century Mark said:

the "no comment" quote makes me wonder, is there a future release of the OOT? I would say yes. First you have to buy the upcoming box set to get all the deleted scenes and good stuff, then they will release another set down the road with the OOT. Typical Lucas.

Did I miss something?  What "no comment" quote?

Alrighty, started a thread for it! (citing many more examples of good free music).

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Paid-Music-vs-Free-Music/topic/12480/

Final say in this thread (I encourage everybody involved here to check out the thread!)

Glad so many people got my back.  And thanks a LOT for being patient with this rather over-enthusiastic member and not telling him off. ;)

What's shocking to me is that Darth Id CLEARLY likes music that isn't "soulless pop crap."  Both Of Montreal and Mars Volta are bands that aren't interested in making as much money as possible and value song writing over how many people listen to their stuff.  Seems like he would be all for DIY musicians.

Hey Id, I used to be a big indie rocker back in the day (Sunny Day Real Estate is my favorite band), so I'm on the same page as you.  The music I posted (more in the other thread) has artistic integrity.  It's not stuff that would ever be played over the radio or sell a million CD's.

And back to SW on Blu (jeez, this thread is like two threads in one!) - I too am curious about this "no comment"....er....comment.

eiyosus said:

Alrighty, started a thread for it! (citing many more examples of good free music).

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Paid-Music-vs-Free-Music/topic/12480/

Thank you.

Sorry about all that (truly I am).

The "no comment" was covered some number of pages back in the thread.  Can't be bothered to look for it, however.

TV's Frink said:

The "no comment" was covered some number of pages back in the thread.  Can't be bothered to look for it, however.

 Gee, thanks for clearing that up.... 

canofhumdingers said:

TV's Frink said:

The "no comment" was covered some number of pages back in the thread.  Can't be bothered to look for it, however.

 Gee, thanks for clearing that up.... 

All I was saying was that the discussion is available for anyone who wanted to search for it in the thread.

Let me know what else I can do for you.