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twooffour
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George Lucas on Special effects and filmaking during making of ROTJ
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6-Feb-2011, 8:02 PM

Bingowings said:

Are you watching the same film ducks?

The command centre is providing cover for the escaping ships.

The Imperials cannot bombard the planet because of the shield generator so they land the space camels to take out the shield generator and ground troops to take out the the ion cannon which the being operated from the command centre.

Luke and his friends have to slow down the space camels to allow the Rebels enough time to evacuate as many people as possible, the command centre has to remain manned to provide cover for the evacuating Rebels.

We have no idea how many TIEs the fleet has or how many can be deployed from one ship (considering the relatively small amount deployed by a much larger number of capital ships in ROTJ I don't imagine they could send wave after wave) and how many were in pursuit but were not close enough to be seen?

The one thing we know is that the fleet which had been previously deployed attempting to shoot down Rebels over Hoth had been ordered to track, slow down and capture the Falcon but not destroy it.

If they fired too much and in the wrong place Vader would not be able to get what he wants, he either imagines or senses (depending on if you want to kick in the Leia sister retcon yet or not) a Skywalker on the ship and every Imperial officer and pilot knows what will happen if they accidentally got too good a shot in.

The action makes sense in terms of the story.

Why a beweaponed bounty hunter would get another bounty hunter, armed with a big space rifle to guide a robot, carrying poison bugs, to open a window with space lasers and hang around to deploy them to poison a senator and then allow a Jedi to hang onto the droid long enough to be spotted and then shoot the droid (not the Jedi) etc, etc, etc, makes no sense at all.

 

Well if you actually take a closer look at the single elements, how easily the "first transporter" manages to breeze through the supposed blockade by having a magical cannon on the planet surface firing at one single ship who was firing but didn't hit the transporter (and obviously couldn't be used against the space camels), and the rebels' strategy in attacking the camels from the front and all, lots of things don't make perfect sense in that scene, but no, I wasn't saying the whole sequence didn't make sense from scratch, I said too much FOCUS was dedicated to whacky, fun adventure stuff and less to things that actually mattered, or could've provided some tension.

Luke takes down two camels all by his clever tricks (and we never see any of them being taken down by anyone not cooperating with Luke, so he's the Mary Sue all again, I suppose), but they still manage to fire some super blaster at the rebel base, or their shield generator, and the rest of the attackers doesn't really seem to bother the rest of hte camels, so in the end it's just a bunch of action stuff with no real tension or consequence.

We see Han and Leia escape, but the rest of the rebels, who are just extras anyway, either escape with incredible ease (in a scene that's basically saying "yea the rebels escaped that so that's where the space base later on comes from), or aren't shown being stopped, destroyed or arrested anywhere.

 

At the end of the day, the essence of the scene is: rebels are put to rout from their base, and a bunch of fighters somewhat slow down the attack. Which one should've been the logical focus, and which would've contained more tension?

 

As for the other thing, you really just rely on assumptions at this point - come on, so we are to believe that neither the death star nor the executor can send off more than 4 stupid TIE fighers?? We just have to ASSUME that there are "more" out there, but "we just don't see them"? Nah... there were 4 fighters, full stop. They were sent to capture the heroes, but were pwned all too easily, and in the end the scene was just a spectacle with cool music and one-liners.

 

 

As for the assassination plot in Clones, sure, again, the plot holes and nonsense in the PT is infinitely worse than in the OT, I've said that, but if you look at the whole chapter, it's not so much the whole premise behind the scene that doesn't make sense, it's its execution.

They could've easily had the assassin try to shoot Padme from the window, or something like that, or use her shapeshifter skills and intrude the building, and then the two Jedi would've chased her through the city after she took off - but no, they added the centipedes and flying robot and all the other stuff in it to make it more diverse and intereesting, I guess, and ended up butchering up the logic.

Did BOBA FETT really have to be the main assassin? Or why did he have to fly off in the jetpack for everyone to see, insead of just hiding somewhere?

 

So again, they could've easily had a chase sequence there, but the way its executed, and the (non-)way the whole assassination plot ties into the rest, are more than enough to disqualify the whole thing, and then some.