Adventures in Raising the Next Generation of Original Star Wars Fans — Page 7

Gaffer Tape said:

With the complete nosedive this conversation has taken over the past few days, it's beginning to make me glad that I don't have kids and don't intend to have any...

But isn't your biological clock ticking?

Harmy said:

I totally wouldn't buy my kid a toy that I thought was crap and I'd rather buy some toy that I thought had more value for the same prize, because I would think buying the crap toy is a waste of money, just like buying or renting the PT or Power Rangers, when there's hundreds (possibly thousands) of better movies to buy or rent.

Um, you realize that when boying toys for your kid, you buy them for... the kid, who generally cares more about the FUN he/she might gain from playing with the toy, not so much its "quality" and "how well it's made with the given budget", right? ... right?

I mean, I'm not saying you can't just like, "hey, let's buy this toy instead, it's much more fun and betterer!", and your kids like "heck yea dad, let's buy this one", or "no do not want" but then you come home and he's like "wow, you're the most awesomest dad ever!!" and you'll like to a Santa Christ laugh or something, since, you know, kids easily hop on stuff and forget about just as easily, but somehow inadvertedly, you come off as a giant snob when saying things like "I'm only going to buy quality toys for my quality son, for my hard-earned quality money!"

Talk about "serious business"...

I mean, you do realize that quality isn't by any means the only factor playing a role in why someone, be it adult or kid, takes an interest in a given product, right? Maybe it's what his friends are talking about, or is popular at the moment, and we wants to have a part in it? But can't borrow cause it's like a video game, or cos everyone's a meaniehead? Just because there's some better kids' cartoon / shoot them all flick out there, doesn't mean the kid or adult will necessarily switch their concrete interest from the "inferior" to the "superior", especially if that judgment is passed by someone else, like yourself, right?

I'll often watch some mediocre movie, or snippet, or music video, just to get a reference, or what everyone's talking about, and I'll derive enjoyment and be glad I've seen it either way - and I happen to be lucky to "be able to arrange it" for myself, knowing a couple online sites and being 21 and all, you know.

Why deny your kid that same privilege just because YOU think something is "worse"? You should really go back and read Zombie's posts again, I think you might understand a great many things after that :D

I like Star Wars.

TheBoost said:

zombie84 said:

The Boost, no disrespect to you, but I don't believe you when you say you won't allow your kids to see "crap." This is the exact sort of thing I am talking about. You let your kids see crap every day, probably. If they watch kids films or kids TV shows, they will mostly see crap, because most of them are dumb. And that's okay.

My kids 20 months old. He doesn't see anything except Elmo. I never said I'm going to somehow shield him from all crap in the world. But during the age he's basically provided entertainment by me (probably until early grade-school) I won't be providing him the PT. As I said in my first post in this thread, he can see them when he's old enough to watch them at a friends house.

But tooling a Yoda toy to remove the lightsaber is cool. Even seeing the PT Yoda's a cooler toy without it.

And why is no one jumping to defend "Darkman 3: Die Darkman Die"?

Well, technically you never said anything about shielding your kids from the PT, and no one else said anything about having to actively introduce your kids to the PT, so can we settle this side of the argument, yea?

Your kid certainly doesn't need to see Jar Jar Binks to have a normal development, especially if he's not interested in seeing those movies himself or asking you to rent it (and would he really before entering grade school? that's like what, at age 6? how's that in your country?) - thing is, what's really important, DON'T SHOW HIM ESB. LOL

Ziggy Stardust said:

twooffour said:

Gaffer Tape said:

With the complete nosedive this conversation has taken over the past few days, it's beginning to make me glad that I don't have kids and don't intend to have any...

Welcome to the club!

Can I join?

Sure you can! And in our new club, we shall play a game, called "how would we influence and educate our kids we'll never have"?

I know what I'd do. I'd wait until he's like 7, then I would tell him to watch Flash Gordon 1980, or he's not getting any ice-cream. If he says something like "daaad, i dun like it, its silly!" or "whats up with this weird guy with the beard, he on crack", he gets his head chopped off. It's a CAMP movie, it's SUPPOSED to be silly you idiot head!

Hey ain't so bad, you can always make more kids, right?

I mean, good think I'm never having any, isnt't it?!

TV's Frink said:

I kinda like the PT.

Nah, sorry - what gets on the internet, stays on the internet.

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:P

twooffour said:

TheBoost said:

zombie84 said:

The Boost, no disrespect to you, but I don't believe you when you say you won't allow your kids to see "crap." This is the exact sort of thing I am talking about. You let your kids see crap every day, probably. If they watch kids films or kids TV shows, they will mostly see crap, because most of them are dumb. And that's okay.

My kids 20 months old. He doesn't see anything except Elmo. I never said I'm going to somehow shield him from all crap in the world. But during the age he's basically provided entertainment by me (probably until early grade-school) I won't be providing him the PT. As I said in my first post in this thread, he can see them when he's old enough to watch them at a friends house.

But tooling a Yoda toy to remove the lightsaber is cool. Even seeing the PT Yoda's a cooler toy without it.

And why is no one jumping to defend "Darkman 3: Die Darkman Die"?

Well, technically you never said anything about shielding your kids from the PT, and no one else said anything about having to actively introduce your kids to the PT, so can we settle this side of the argument, yet?

Your kid certainly doesn't need to see Jar Jar Binks to have a normal development, especially if he's not interested in seeing those movies himself or asking you to rent it (and would he really before entering grade school? that's like what, at age 6? how's that in your country?) - thing is, what's really important, DON'T SHOW HIM ESB. LOL

Hey, hadn't you watched TPM with some kid relative of yours? Or was it a friend's kid? Like, you know, that one who "got" what the Trade Federation was all about "from implication" :D

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why did you do that??

twooffour said:

Hey ain't so bad, you can always make more kids, right?

RIGHT!

TheBoost said:

For people who are so opposed to a "PT Free" environment, let me ask: Why does a kid need to see the PT? Why, of the thousands of entertainments that xhonzi's, mine, or any kid, might enjoy and yet will never see, does the PT hold some important rank?

If someone said "I will never show my kid the animated 3 Stooges cartoons!" would there be this outcry?

Why do you believe that being opposed to shielding your kids from the PT = actively making them watch the PT?

I think the big issue here is that most of us are making a LOT of assumptions about each other's viewpoints.

In reality I wouldn't be going out of my way to show my children the PT, but I certainly won't lose any sleep over it if they see it on TV, at a friend's house, or even notice it at the store or something and decide they want to see it. Doesn't sound all that different from your viewpoint does it?

The thing with the lightsaber dremeling, is that it seems that he's not doing it so much to give his kids a "cooler toy" as it is that he's doing it to prevent his kids from being aware that somewhere somehow Yoda has a lightsaber. I doubt the kid asked him to dremel off that lightsaber. (See here I go assuming again.)

Ye.

Quackula said:

TheBoost said:

For people who are so opposed to a "PT Free" environment, let me ask: Why does a kid need to see the PT? Why, of the thousands of entertainments that xhonzi's, mine, or any kid, might enjoy and yet will never see, does the PT hold some important rank?

In reality I wouldn't be going out of my way to show my children the PT, but I certainly won't lose any sleep over it if they see it on TV, at a friend's house, or even notice it at the store or something and decide they want to see it. Doesn't sound all that different from your viewpoint does it?

The thing with the lightsaber dremeling, is that it seems that he's not doing it so much to give his kids a "cooler toy" as it is that he's doing it to prevent his kids from being aware that somewhere somehow Yoda has a lightsaber. I doubt the kid asked him to dremel off that lightsaber. (See here I go assuming again.)

Perhaps our viewpoints are closer than we think. However, I just don't see anything Xhonzi has said or done to be somehow shocking, or in need of 'perspective.'

And we'll have to agree to disagree about the toy. Because you're wrong and it's teh awesome!

TheBoost said:

Quackula said:

TheBoost said:

For people who are so opposed to a "PT Free" environment, let me ask: Why does a kid need to see the PT? Why, of the thousands of entertainments that xhonzi's, mine, or any kid, might enjoy and yet will never see, does the PT hold some important rank?

In reality I wouldn't be going out of my way to show my children the PT, but I certainly won't lose any sleep over it if they see it on TV, at a friend's house, or even notice it at the store or something and decide they want to see it. Doesn't sound all that different from your viewpoint does it?

The thing with the lightsaber dremeling, is that it seems that he's not doing it so much to give his kids a "cooler toy" as it is that he's doing it to prevent his kids from being aware that somewhere somehow Yoda has a lightsaber. I doubt the kid asked him to dremel off that lightsaber. (See here I go assuming again.)

Perhaps our viewpoints are closer than we think. However, I just don't see anything Xhonzi has said or done to be somehow shocking, or in need of 'perspective.'

And we'll have to agree to disagree about the toy. Because you're wrong and it's teh awesome!

Well that's a perfectly satisfying response for me then. Consider my participation in this thread over. :)

I see xhonzi has entered the thread again....

*rubbing hands together*

xhonzi said:

My only question is this: Why is this so personal to you, twooffour?  You seem to be very upset about.  I've read your other posts around the forum and you seem to mostly be a pretty sensible guy.  Why does this subject (Raising my kids in a PT free environment) elicit such angst from you?

For the record, if I hadn't been reading and enjoying a lot of whatelse you'd have to say, your conduct in this thread would cause me to put you on ignore. 

It's not personal to me, doesn't cause anything resembling "angst", and doesn't "upset" me outside the confines of this forum - getting condescending and angry is just my usual, natural reaction to reading something stupid, like display of considerable fanboyism, bigotry, bias, circular logic, or, indeed, treating something like a bunch of SF entertainment films way too seriously.

Whether you realize it or not, you're just playing the usual "why are you so angry?" card that is so often used as an excuse to dismiss everything a discussion opponent has to say (very often used by Christians against atheists - one gets a bit too excited in an argument, and the Xtian rubs his hands and posts something like "wow, so much hate and anger, did something happen to you? (maybe you need Jesus in your life!); variations include using the amount of research or post length by the opponent as proof that the opponent is "way too obsessed lol" and a lame, transparent excuse for an attempt to replace debat with ridicule), and no, sorry, I'm not interested in that.

Hey, how about I ask you why you take Star Wars so seriously, you put so much effort in your kids forming a certain opinion of it the first time they're ever exposed to anything associated with it? Why does it matter so much what they think about "Star Wars"? Does the term "serious business" tell you anything? Mind how in my case, I get "upset" about a nerd topic on a nerd forum, while in your case, you actually put some effort into this IN REAL LIFE, in the upbringing of YOUR KIDS.

Yea, how about you talk about that instead of trying to distract with useless ad hominems, because, you know, that's the topic you started. Did you honestly expect full 100% support and no contentions at all from anybody?

Thanks for "reading and enjoying" some bunch of other posts I've written about something. Had you read any of what I wrote HERE, you now certainly wouldn't be waving around with the "threat" of "ignoring" me right now :D

For those who still don't get it:

The /ignore function is just a tool to make your eyes hurt less if you don't feel like putting up with someone's postings, not a triumphant flag of avenged butthurt to wave around in an obnoxious, demonstrative tone - at no point are you more than a click away from viewing a given post, or unignoring the user altogether, and everyone including the user you're "ignoring" knows that, so believe me when I say that NO ONE CARES WHO'S ON YOUR IGNORE LIST.

tl;dr, except...

twooffour said:

NO ONE CARES WHO'S ON YOUR IGNORE LIST.

If this were true, there wouldn't be a lengthy off-topic thread on the subject.  Anyway, I always interpreted ignore announcements as a polite way to say "this guy is acting like a dick."

TV's Frink said:

tl;dr, except...

twooffour said:

NO ONE CARES WHO'S ON YOUR IGNORE LIST.

If this were true, there wouldn't be a lengthy off-topic thread on the subject.  Anyway, I always interpreted ignore announcements as a polite way to say "this guy is acting like a dick."

Well, it's just it's also a very dumb way to say something no one's really going to care about anyway (I honestly couldn't give a fart how many people call me a "dick" or my "behavior bothersome", as long as it's just mere "ur a meaniehead" without proper criticism I can look at and evaluate), because, well, /ignore isn't an effective tool and completely meaningless to anyone who happens not to be using it at the moment, and it simultaneously comes off as a "I'm IGNORING you, and I want to LET YOU KNOW, that I'M IGNORING YOU so it HURTS!! Look, I'm so important and better than you, I'm NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU SAY! And I care to ANNOUNCE IT TO YOU!!"

Plus, that's the way it's usually meant in 80% of the time, anyways :D

As for the "ignore thread", I don't know about it, and I don't really care - sorry to now be insulting your intelligence, but as I said, "no one cares" really is a more impolite, dismissive and sweeping way of saying "there isn't any reason why anyone should give a crap about it".

Tell me, why should I care who ignores me or not? Either I won't notice, or I'll notice the person in question making a dunce out of himself for continuing posting on a topic without knowing what's just been said, especially addressed at themselves (as just seen with TheBoost). I'll then proceed to make fun of them, and if they manage not to peek in, the irony is lost on them, if not, it hits them double hard - not my loss either way, right?

At any rate, I don't think you should be calling anyone a "dick" for a quite a while now, after that last one you pulled :p

Thank you for correcting me on everything I said as you like to do anytime anyone disagrees with you.

Also, where did I call someone a dick?

I like Star Wars

Oh sure, steal my stealing your line.

Ye.

this thread could've probably ended 5 pages ago

Ye.