logo Sign In

BOYCOTT (the 2004 OT SE DVD release) — Page 4

Author
Time
Post link
Quote
Originally posted by: jimbo
If they don't know there idiots who deserve to waste there money. I have no sympathy for those who get caught with a product that they should have researched. Like those guys complaining that they shouldn't have bought the two disc Fellowship of the Ring because they didn't know about the extended edition a few months away. Hah Not only was the Extended Edition announced at the same time but it even mentions the extended version on the back cover of The Fellowship of the Ring. The idiots who think they are buying the originals deserve to waste there money. But I am sure that most who are buying the DVDs understand that these are not the originals.


1. jimbo, not everyone is as big a Star Wars fan as me and you I would assume. It has only just been announced and I'm sorry, nobody has mentioned it that much yet.
2. Have you noticed how the Offical Site never mentions the trilogy is coming in its updated form only? It seems they wouldn't mind if that went under the radar.
3. Just about 50,000 people have signed this petion. Do you honestly think that the huge amount of SW fans from the 70's and 80's that want the OT are only 50,000? No, it is just they have not found us yet or do not know the situation.
4. Not everybody knows about Digital Bits, one of the biggest sites mentioning it, and theforce.net only mentions it on an irregular basis at best.
5. Some SW fans don't have a computer, they hear about these things from word of mouth.
6. The approved packing simply says Star Wars Trilogy, period. You can't guess what the movie is inside unless you buy it, rent it, or are not part of the circumstances of the previous 1-5.
7. Nobody is an idiot if they don't know yet, people have school and/or jobs that keep them busy to start with. Sometimes you simply buy a product and expect what you get from the packaging and what you saw in the theater.
8. By your same measure would you be an idiot if you didn't know the AOTC DVD had changed the wedding scene with Ani and Padme, holding hands instead of not like in the theatrical film release? Especially if you liked it the way before?

Author
Time
Post link
They held hands in the theatrical release. Just not on film print. If someone is doesn't care enough to see what version is coming they why would they care enough to fork out there $45. Anyone with any sense would remember the 1997 Special Editions and wonder and check if thats the only version. They could ask someone who would know. Check on the computer. So many ways to find out. Hell Amazon is reporting the purchases. Amazon does state these are only the Special Editions.
Author
Time
Post link
Quote
Originally posted by: jimbo
They held hands in the theatrical release. Just not on film print. If someone is doesn't care enough to see what version is coming they why would they care enough to fork out there $45. Anyone with any sense would remember the 1997 Special Editions and wonder and check if thats the only version. They could ask someone who would know. Check on the computer. So many ways to find out. Hell Amazon is reporting the purchases. Amazon does state these are only the Special Editions.


Look, let me put this as simply as I can. The 1997 rerelease was not as big as perhaps you and I would think. I've talked to loads of people who didn't watch it and didn't buy the tapes. They doubt there is that much difference between the OT and the SE, something they will find out is not totally true later. But if you want to label people, calling them idiots, don't forget to apply the same standard yourself when you can't spellcheck but act like a smart a@@. Have a nice day.

Author
Time
Post link
The Special Editions made alot of money. From what I hear the Special Editions made almost 500 million at the box office. I am sure most Star Wars fans saw them. Those who have been oblivious for years about the excistance of such versions and how different they are are either idiots or non Star Wars fans. I don't see why non Star Wars fans would buy a Star Wars DVD. And the idiots who buy this thinking its the originals deserve to loose there money.
Author
Time
Post link
Alright, I see we will not agree on this point. I think there will be just casual fans who will buy it because they think it is the exact Star Wars they remember for the most part, you don't. So I guess the thing would be to agree to disagree.


And as for the main idea of the topic, I must say I have no plan to boycott, calling me a Tory of the American Revolutions but I will continue to petion the King. (j/k)
Author
Time
Post link
Quote
Originally posted by: jimbo
I don't see why non Star Wars fans would buy a Star Wars DVD. And the idiots who buy this thinking its the originals deserve to loose there money.


There are a few people (let's say, about +80% of the world population) who hasn't watched it. Maybe some of those people will get interested in buying it. And a lot of people don't ever REMEMBER there was a special edition. And most of the fans will just say "oh well, i hate this version, but... i gotta buy it." And I wouldn't call idiots any of these kinds of people. If people want to buy it, let them buy it, it's not fair calling people idiots just because they want to watch the SE. And I bet that if the original classic version was released on DVD at the same time, SE would still sell a lot of copies, because ordinarie people would think "ok, this version has more scenes on it. why would I spend money on the other version?"
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
Author
Time
Post link
Another possibility and yours is the one I find the most likely, close to it at least.
Author
Time
Post link
Quote
Originally posted by: ricarleite
Quote
Originally posted by: jimbo
I don't see why non Star Wars fans would buy a Star Wars DVD. And the idiots who buy this thinking its the originals deserve to loose there money.


There are a few people (let's say, about +80% of the world population) who hasn't watched it. Maybe some of those people will get interested in buying it. And a lot of people don't ever REMEMBER there was a special edition. And most of the fans will just say "oh well, i hate this version, but... i gotta buy it." And I wouldn't call idiots any of these kinds of people. If people want to buy it, let them buy it, it's not fair calling people idiots just because they want to watch the SE. And I bet that if the original classic version was released on DVD at the same time, SE would still sell a lot of copies, because ordinarie people would think "ok, this version has more scenes on it. why would I spend money on the other version?"


True I am just saying people should always research a product before they buy it. I am buying these for sure.
Author
Time
Post link
In that I agree with you completely jimbo, people should research a product, though many don't, and I will be buying the boxset.
Author
Time
Post link
It just seems like the same situations as the idiots who were complianing they bought the 2 disc edition of The Fellowship of the Ring because they didn't know about the extended edition even though both versions were annouced at the same time.
Author
Time
Post link
I bought both versions....
just for comparison sake...

which is what Lucas should do...
he'd make more money and make both people happy...
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
Author
Time
Post link
Quote
Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
I bought both versions....
just for comparison sake...

which is what Lucas should do...
he'd make more money and make both people happy...


I suppose so. Before LOTR I would have said release in the same boxset, same time, but considering how well the LOTR did with their formula and will continue to do so, I would suggest it, though the SE would have to be the EE of the two of course.

Author
Time
Post link
Yeah but it isn't happening. Lucas would never release the originals first or ever for that matter. The only chance of it is if the DVDs don't sell. But there selling.
Author
Time
Post link
A few things that seem to pop up in my mind as I read the latest posts on this:

1.) Yes, the SE discs will make a ton of money. There is no doubt. Just look at the Amazon.com chart listings for best selling DVD's.

2.) Again, releasing both versions (in my mind) would make the most sense. Fans of the original could get them. Fans of the SE could get what they want. Fans could also buy both. This would give the truest perspective of what has changed. It would outline what Lucas had to work with in 1977,1980, and 1983; compared with what was done in 1997 (and perhaps what would be done with 2004 technology, assuming any more changes were made).

3.) Releasing the original versions would be a nice nod to all the old fans who grew up on Star Wars and made Lucas(and its cast) wealthy.

4.) From Lucas's stand point, it would make him even more money. Not that he needs it, but perhaps some of it could be donated to charity.

Author
Time
Post link
All solid points, Macca (can I call you Macca?).

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

Author
Time
Post link
that's precisely what this debate is all about. and why it makes me really angry, if it's advantageous for both parties why tf don't they release the two versions?? artistic integrity? yeah, right...
"Last night, Darth Vader came down from planet Vulcan and told me that if I didn't take Lorraine out that he'd melt my brain."
Author
Time
Post link
Some argue for Lucas it is artistic integrity, but I argue it is more a case of historical preservation. Too much was changed, especially the ending of ROTJ, not to preserve the original work.
Author
Time
Post link
Exactly, DJR.

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

Author
Time
Post link
I would make this analogy. It is like taking the book, Return of the King, the third part of the Lord of the Rings. Now Tolkien plays more with the ending. Gandalf comes with Frodo, Sam, Pippin, and Merry when they liberate the Shire. All the hobbits revolt upon the sight of the band and Gandalf beats Saruman in a fight between wizards, and then things stay like the original narrative with Frodo leaving and ending with Sam and his children. Now if you have read Return of the King and the chapter Scourging of the Shire or whatever it is exactly called, you know things were actually different in big ways. Now I am not saying the ROTJ SE changes the ending like that, I actually like the new ending better. But imagine Tolkien then says, "The ending I have now created for Return of the King was what I originally envisioned, everything written before were rough drafts in the process." And remember, the original LOTR books were released before Tolkien's new take on the book. And Tolkien NEVER wants the original versions of the books released again. Now if I disagree with that, am I treading on Tolkien's artistic rights or am I fighting for literary and historical preservation? That is about as simply as I can present this argument.
Author
Time
Post link
Quote
Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
All solid points, Macca (can I call you Macca?).



Macca is cool by me. Incidentally (for those who don't know), it's his nickname from the Beatles days given by John, I think. I always thought it is cool that macca and I are left handed. Anyways, getting back on topic....


Thanks for the kind words. I just feel those are some solid points that many original fans made lucas what he is today. He should do well to remember that fact. Just do one 3 disc cleaned up version of the original trillogy. If on the other discs, he wanted to keep changing the story, that would be up to him.
Author
Time
Post link
Quote
Originally posted by: Jedi Master DJR
I would make this analogy. It is like taking the book, Return of the King, the third part of the Lord of the Rings. Now Tolkien plays more with the ending. Gandalf comes with Frodo, Sam, Pippin, and Merry when they liberate the Shire. All the hobbits revolt upon the sight of the band and Gandalf beats Saruman in a fight between wizards, and then things stay like the original narrative with Frodo leaving and ending with Sam and his children. Now if you have read Return of the King and the chapter Scourging of the Shire or whatever it is exactly called, you know things were actually different in big ways. Now I am not saying the ROTJ SE changes the ending like that, I actually like the new ending better. But imagine Tolkien then says, "The ending I have now created for Return of the King was what I originally envisioned, everything written before were rough drafts in the process." And remember, the original LOTR books were released before Tolkien's new take on the book. And Tolkien NEVER wants the original versions of the books released again. Now if I disagree with that, am I treading on Tolkien's artistic rights or am I fighting for literary and historical preservation? That is about as simply as I can present this argument.


Quite well said. Preserve the original works, so they can exist along with any variations. People are smart enough to make up their own minds of what they want.
Author
Time
Post link
I have been reading these posts and have decided to cancel my Amazon pre-order. Buying these modified films would just show my tacit approval of what I consider to be little more than the defacement of a work of art.

Since Tolkien has been mentioned, I thought I would point out an historical parallel.

In 1947, 10 years after the original version of the Hobbit appeared, Tolkien made a number of revisions to the book in order to make the character of Gollum fit the much more desperate and obsessed figure he had created for Lord of The Rings. These changes were incorporated into all subsequent editions and have consequently become part of the standard text. I have never read the original so can’t comment on the success of the changes, but once the changed manuscript becomes the only one available there is no going back.

Already a generation is growing up who will have only seen the special editions and worst of all they might actually prefer them. If we accept these versions now then there may never be a DVD version of the original films on sale. I guess GL has the right to alter his work any way he likes, but I am not going to reward him for it.
Author
Time
Post link
Woohoo! Score one for the good guys!! Thanks for sharing that special_edd.
-Everyone is entitled to my opinion-
Author
Time
Post link
Welcome to the forums, Special_edd.
"May the force be with you!"
Author
Time
Post link
As i said before, i'd like to have both versions, but i think that you should all vorry about even more changes to the films..
Remember the interview with Williams ? (score changes, SFX changes, new scenes etc. )

I am afraid of is more butchering of the image in the so called archival-edition.
I can't imagine someone adding digital video-footage and making it intercut with 30 years old film footage. And more CG, and more
this and more that.

It's just like in south park... these guys know how to laugh out something