Was there ever a treatment or outline for the prequels ?

What was the bad mother/good mother angle?  I don't think I have ever heard of that potential angle before (and if I have, I've completely forgotten it) - it sounds interesting.

The bad mother was going to be Shaft :p

I don't think Lucas had any intention of making the prequels until he stuck that "Episode V" in the opening crawl of Empire Strikes Back.

pg.6 of the Making of ESB has a pic of a written page with an outline of the at this time (late 1977) the Saga was 12 episodes (as mentioned in Bantha Tracks and a Kenner marketing video) so makes sense that this outline has a second page, which is not printed.  Other allusions that there is a second page are the spacing, six per page and ANH in this outline is Episode Six, and the notation is "Star Wars Trilogy" with a line going down meaning Eps 6,7,8.  7 and 8 would start the next page.  This outline page has the 'Clone Wars' as episodes 2,3,4.  Ep1 is a prelude, Ep5 is an epilogue/prologue.  So speculating Ep9 would be another epilogue/prologue and eps10,11,12 would be the final trilogy.  What's written on this second page would explain a lot.  Maybe in the RotJ book....

skyjedi2005 wrote:  As far as can be gleaned  from all available sources its was just hashed out verbally between Lucas and Kurtz.

I think "hashed out" is phrasing it hard.  These were general conversations more like discussion of things they'd like to achieve, with plot device to make it work.  Then setting up the frame work to hinge all future decisions on.  What quote from George about 9 films are you basing this on?

The slow seduction to evil of Anakin by the Emperor vanished.

Anakin being a good friend and great starpilot vanished.

The first is semi-there, but it happens off screen.  Anakin has periodic meetings with Senator Palpatine.  and the Ani-Obi relationship is referenced as being good friends, but the films focus on moments which are more trying.  and the great starpilot angle is there, lucky TPM to RotS opening battle.

I'm not familiar with the good/mother bad mother.  Got a quote for this?  and the love triangle sounds more like a fan hypothesis from what I remember.

The features about Lucas writing TPM show him just kinda sit there with a pencil, a legal pad, and a thoughtful expression. He never acts as if he refrences the famous 'plan' he's always had.

I believe there's a deleted scene where he gets up after a few minutes and rolls in his Script-o-Bot 3000 to do the job.

^Thank you for the acknowledgment.

At the end of the Making of Star Wars book there are some notes written by Lucas in 1977 speaking as C-3PO and Leia and he mentions, for example 3PO being reassembled by a young boy working for a junk dealer. He also mentions Trade and Commerce unions buying Senators to support Chancellor Palpatine.

There's also mention of the midi-chlorians.

skyjedi2005,

If you hate the prequels so much, don't think about them.

^I've tried that route.  Logic and reason don't penetrate.

I see. Well, when or if they ever do, someone let me know. In the meantime,

IGNORE!!!!!!!

I ignored him once (I got sick of the Luca$h) but then I was missing a lot of posts that were intelligent and well thought out.

Sluggo said:

(I got sick of the Luca$h)

LOL, I love that. I too was wondering how much was pre-thought out before making the prequels. It doesn't seem like much. It seems "Laca$h" LOL, wants you to think he had it all laid out since he finished writing ANH. He claims that he wanted the episode number and title in the opening crawl of ANH for its initial release, but Fox studios wouldn't let him because he claims it would be too confusing for the audience. I'm not sure I buy that. I haven't heard much leaking as to what Lucas really had pre-written for the prequels while making the OT. It's obvious the "there is another" quote was compromised to Liea when Lucas decided to make it a trilogy and not a sexology? Lucas originally wanted the story to expand to another jedi in hiding that Luke would go looking for. When I first heard the title "Return of the Jedi" I thought it meant plural and that a couple or many Jedi were going to come back in fighting the empire in this move. But it turns out to just be Luke as the returning of the jedi and maybe Anakin? I think Lucas did have an earlier draft of the prequels than what he began to write in '94 that was far better than his more recent outline he called "the beginning." I really wish he would not have taken that long 13 maybe 14 year break between making ROTJ and TPM. I think the prequels would have turned out much better if he would have continued without the long break and just worked with what he had instead of waiting for technology to catch up with his ideas.

Ghostbusters said:

Sluggo said:

(I got sick of the Luca$h)

LOL, I love that.

It wasn't really that clever, even before it got used to death.