(on page 863) vaderios said:
So that leads why vader went from his chamber to the spot and didnt came directly from the door . Its like entered the door, entered the chamber, came out from the chamber to push the big button on the floor
(on page 863) ImperialFighter said:
as you mentioned vaderios, the way the shot is currently filmed gives the impression that Vader is coming down from the direction of the 'chamber' itself, for some uknown reason, before he addresses the Emperor... It's something that kinda makes my preferred way of 'imagining' this overall sequence playing out in *real-time* a bit off...as the Executor shot would have needed to go on just a little longer to allow plenty of time for it to work better...because Vader looks as if he *did something* (?) inside the 'chamber' first, and would have required just a little more time to do so in *real-time* onscreen...
...which is why I'd have liked it to have been cut slightly differently in the first place...
(on page 864) Monroville said:
Imp Fighter: I think the biggest problem would be the timing/editing of the shot, ie. will the edit come across as a jump cut with Vader just "appearing" on the pedestal (and miss the flow of showing Vader coming down the chamber steps and then onto the pedestal)?
While I understand you're trying to figure out how to make it so it appears Vader just entered the room and went straight for the giant "Emperor pager button", my main concern would be how it comes across visually.
(on page 864) euroherbal said:
I don't know about you, but I always thought that manouvering a ship that huge out of an asteroid field took some time...time enough for Vader to reach his chamber, make his preparations, until communications gave green to talk to the Emperor, then descended from his chamber and kneeled on the holo-pad.
And here's some additional thoughts on the 'hologram' scene, before I move onto other stuff -
Y'know, it's funny how you can see something in a certain way for so long, but then find that you've been looking at it the WRONG way all along...because I've now realised that part of the reason I always veered towards wanting to make sense of the WHOLE scene below as happening in *real-time*...is because the background music continued to build right up until the point where we cut to Vader descending his 'chamber' steps, instead of changing 'cue' at the point where Vader rounded the 'control room' corner and cut to the Executor!
So although not everything seemed to gel 100%...combined with the fact that the 'chamber'/'hologram' room seemed very close-by, just around that corner...the same cue continuing throughout the scene helped to give me the (false) impression that the whole thing kinda seemed to be playing out in *real-time*...
(which is why I always previously thought that a direct cut to Vader *just-about-to* step on the small 'holopad' would have made the *real-time* thing work better...rather than seeing him descending from the top of the 'chamber' first)
But thanks to the recent comment by euroherbal quoted above, here's how I'll definately see the whole sequence as playing out from now on -
Piett notifies Vader that the Emperor has commanded him to make contact, and he replies "Move the ship out of the asteroid field so that we can send a clear transmission"...and as the music begins to build at this point...Vader rounds the corner at the end of the 'control room' section that's just beyond the 'bridge'...
...and then we immediately cut to the shot of the Executor exiting out of the asteroid field...but although the music continues to build until the END of it...I'll now look on this particular shot as STARTING AFTER a short *jump-ahead-in-time* has passed by since Vader rounded the corner...allowing for an unknown period of time for the Executor to have travelled through more of the asteriod field FIRST...
...INSTEAD of thinking that the Executor just happened to be exiting the edge of the asteroid field at this precise moment, like I used to, when we cut to it... (which seems far too convenient now, and doesn't tally with seeing it accompanied by 2 stardestroyers just a little earlier anyway...as they would have remained in the asteroid field to continue the search)...
...and then we immediately cut to Vader descending the steps of his 'chamber', as he walks towards the small 'holopad'...which now works perfectly for me, since he could easily have had enough time to go inside his 'chamber' FIRST (for whatever reason), before he communicated with the 'hologram'...due to looking on the previous Executor shot as being a short *jump-ahead-in-time* by this point, since we last saw him...
...before we then eventually cut to the Emperor's 'hologram' appearing...
So this is a sequence that will work perfectly for me in future, now that I realise it's just another one of those scenes that can be made sense of by looking at it as involving a short *jump-ahead-in-time* moment....
...and here's a couple of other examples below, for instance -
Here we see the Falcon approaching cloud city...but it's buildings are still a good distance away at this point...
...but then there's a short *jump-ahead-in-time* moment, as we then immediately cut to the Falcon suddenly flying amongst the buildings now...
...and in this example below, we see Leia is holding Han's arm as Lando leads them towards Vader...
...and they are in conversation as they turn around this corridor...
...but although it *seems* that we then cut to a *real-time* continuation of the previous shot, which suddenly has Han and Lando on the wrong side of Leia now, with Leia's arms at her sides....I DON'T happen to see it this way...but instead look on this shot as being merely another short *jump-ahead-in-time* moment, set a little further ahead somewhere, compared to where they rounded the corner in the previous shot...
...and rather than hearing the end of what was being discussed in the previous shot above, I reckon we are just picking up again at a slightly LATER point in their continuing conversation when we hear Han say "...But aren't you afraid that the Empire's gonna find out about this little operation, and shut you down?", at this point...
So this shot can seem correct after all, as they've just eventually ended up swapping places during their short 'tour' of the city...at some earlier point after they rounded the corner in the previous shot...
(and this accounts for the different set, floor, and people activity too, of course)