STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - 12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW — Page 886

Dah, embedding the image in my post is making it look all goofy on my end. If you can't see it, click this link:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2243/lollazy.jpg

But yes, yes it is! It's just flipped horizontally and the colors are played with a bit.

If you look in Return of the Jedi, there's an X-Wing pilot who gets shot down in the tunnel chase on the way to the core. The footage of his X-Wing exploding is recycled from A New Hope, when the "I'm hit!" pilot is shot down. (Of course, this was change a bit in Adywan's version :))

You can tell they're the same by the way the ship's nose suddenly bends downward mid-explosion. If you watch both scenes from start to finish, the ship gives off a puff of an explosion once, keeps going and looks fine for about 2 frames, and then explodes and goes careening out of control. The placement of the sparks gives it away 100%. Even if they used the same explosion technique, the particulars (such as sparks and ship behavior) would have been different.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2188/lollazy2.jpg

Anyway, to avoid going off topic: The new explosion in the asteroid field looks great! The subtle addition of debris and the fact that the bridge doesn't just "vanish" is leaps and bounds of an approvement. I always thought it looked weird to have the bridge just "vanish" like that, especially with no trace of debris or anything. Good job!

Could you scale the images down so they fit in the tramlines please Captain?

It's throwing the thread out of whack here.

Good find though :-D

I figure just making it a hotlink will reduce headache on all ends. It makes me wonder what else got recycled throuought the series.

Wow i have missed a lot here, so many wonderful improvements. 

I love the hologram scene of the emperor.  It is truly remarkable.  Your emperor is way better, especially from the side view which is by far more superior than the dvd version. 

Also love the explosion of the bridge after being hit by the asteroid.  Most impressive.

I have a few questions for adywan.

A.  the scene where the falcon is pursued by tie fighters in space after leaving bespin, i noticed on the bottom far right of the screen there is a blue light/haze which i never noticed until now.  I take it that this is caused by that awful blueish of the dvd version?

B. I know you have made some vast improvements over the bridge scenes including adding the stairs.  but I noticed a couple of things which you may have allready addressed, if not it may give you a headache and I apologise for it. 

The scene at the start showing main shot of the bridge, i  noticed that either side of the main door is shown but not the roof of the door.  This is shown in other parts of the movie.  Will you be adding that in? 

Also the officer standing there as well i take it as piett which they used at the end of the movie.  Will he be replaced or covered up?

C.  The scene where vader is talking to needa via the hologram i noticed that far right of the screen is another part of the holoarea.  will you be removing that and putting part of the stairs to the bridge?

Opps.

Sorry posted in error my connection speed is being adversely effected by the better half watching BBC iplayer upstairs.

sorry i was trying to get the images a wee bit bigger to show

Grythandril, I'd be interested in seeing a bigger version of your top shot if possible, as I haven't seen that one before.

I was intending to ask about something you've thrown up here, too, and am in the middle of sorting out a couple of shots to do with what you've mentioned.  I'll go into them shortly.

Bingowings said:

Could you scale the images down so they fit in the tramlines please Captain?

Repost, resized to fit:

CaptainCaveman said:

Speaking of the asteroid explosion, notice anything familiar?

Grythandril said:

I know you have made some vast improvements over the bridge scenes including adding the stairs.  but I noticed a couple of things which you may have allready addressed, if not it may give you a headache and I apologise for it. 

The scene at the start showing main shot of the bridge, i  noticed that either side of the main door is shown but not the roof of the door.  This is shown in other parts of the movie.  Will you be adding that in? 

Also the officer standing there as well i take it as piett which they used at the end of the movie.  Will he be replaced or covered up?

The scene where vader is talking to needa via the hologram i noticed that far right of the screen is another part of the holoarea.  will you be removing that and putting part of the stairs to the bridge?

Okay, here's some shots to make things easier to see Grythandril, and a few thoughts -

As you've pointed out, the 'top' of the entranceway to the wide view of the 'Bridge' is missing...compared to the set entranceway that Vader exits from near the end of the movie, that is seen in your top shot.  In fact the 'Bridge' entranceway itself is wider than the set near the end, too...although the shot near the end has cleverly been 'zoomed' into now, to disguise the fact.   It's just one of those unfortunate 'continuity' inconsistencies that can't really be sorted it seems.  Not without ruining the 'composition' of the 'wide' shot anyway, as adywan just confirmed.  

As you've mentioned, we also glimpse a couple of corridor set areas that seem to contradict things at times too...  And at one point, we briefly see the top of the narrower set entranceway during the 'Bounty Hunters' scene.  It's a pity that both of the set entrances weren't made the same wide width to begin with, but It's just one of these things, and we'll just have to accept some 'continuity' inconsistencies every now and then.  There's quite a few things throughout the movie that will remain a compromise at the end of the day, and this seems to be one of them.

Anyway, here's the original SE 'Bridge' shot that Vader exits from near the end...

...and here's the original SE set that Vader steps down from...

...and here's what adywan's done to them for his edit...

...and although we don't see the top of the set entranceway that Vader steps down from in the shot near the end of the movie...we do glimpse it briefly in the background of the 'Bounty Hunters' one below...

...and here's what we see of the corridor set that's at the back of the 'Bounty Hunters' when Vader steps down behind them and talks to Piett...

...and here's the section that I think you referred to, that's on the right-hand side of the 'hologram' shot...

Hope that helps a little.

I love comparissons (be it pictures or video). I'm always even móre impressed by all of the imrovements I missed before.

(I trust in 005 to create a big-ass .pdf file like he did for ANH:R ;))

(on page 863) vaderios said:

So that leads why vader went from his chamber to the spot and didnt came directly from the door . Its like entered the door, entered the chamber, came out from the chamber to push the big button on the floor

(on page 863) ImperialFighter said:

as you mentioned vaderios, the way the shot is currently filmed gives the impression that Vader is coming down from the direction of the 'chamber' itself, for some uknown reason, before he addresses the Emperor...  It's something that kinda makes my preferred way of 'imagining' this overall sequence playing out in *real-time* a bit off...as the Executor shot would have needed to go on just a little longer to allow plenty of time for it to work better...because Vader looks as if he *did something* (?) inside the 'chamber' first, and would have required just a little more time to do so in *real-time* onscreen...

...which is why I'd have liked it to have been cut slightly differently in the first place...

(on page 864) Monroville said:

Imp Fighter: I think the biggest problem would be the timing/editing of the shot, ie. will the edit come across as a jump cut with Vader just "appearing" on the pedestal (and miss the flow of showing Vader coming down the chamber steps and then onto the pedestal)?

While I understand you're trying to figure out how to make it so it appears Vader just entered the room and went straight for the giant "Emperor pager button", my main concern would be how it comes across visually.

(on page 864) euroherbal said:

I don't know about you, but I always thought that manouvering a ship that huge out of an asteroid field took some time...time enough for Vader to reach his chamber, make his preparations, until communications gave green to talk to the Emperor, then descended from his chamber and kneeled on the holo-pad.

And here's some additional thoughts on the 'hologram' scene, before I move onto other stuff -

Y'know, it's funny how you can see something in a certain way for so long, but then find that you've been looking at it the WRONG way all along...because I've now realised that part of the reason I always veered towards wanting to make sense of the WHOLE scene below as happening in *real-time*...is because the background music continued to build right up until the point where we cut to Vader descending his 'chamber' steps, instead of changing 'cue' at the point where Vader rounded the 'control room' corner and cut to the Executor! 

So although not everything seemed to gel 100%...combined with the fact that the 'chamber'/'hologram' room seemed very close-by, just around that corner...the same cue continuing throughout the scene helped to give me the (false) impression that the whole thing kinda seemed to be playing out in *real-time*...

(which is why I always previously thought that a direct cut to Vader *just-about-to* step on the small 'holopad' would have made the *real-time* thing work better...rather than seeing him descending from the top of the 'chamber' first)

But thanks to the recent comment by euroherbal quoted above, here's how I'll definately see the whole sequence as playing out from now on -

Piett notifies Vader that the Emperor has commanded him to make contact, and he replies "Move the ship out of the asteroid field so that we can send a clear transmission"...and as the music begins to build at this point...Vader rounds the corner at the end of the 'control room' section that's just beyond the 'bridge'...

...and then we immediately cut to the shot of the Executor exiting out of the asteroid field...but although the music continues to build until the END of it...I'll now look on this particular shot as STARTING AFTER a short *jump-ahead-in-time* has passed by since Vader rounded the corner...allowing for an unknown period of time for the Executor to have travelled through more of the asteriod field FIRST...

...INSTEAD of thinking that the Executor just happened to be exiting the edge of the asteroid field at this precise moment, like I used to, when we cut to it...  (which seems far too convenient now, and doesn't tally with seeing it accompanied by 2 stardestroyers just a little earlier anyway...as they would have remained in the asteroid field to continue the search)...

...and then we immediately cut to Vader descending the steps of his 'chamber', as he walks towards the small 'holopad'...which now works perfectly for me, since he could easily have had enough time to go inside his 'chamber' FIRST (for whatever reason), before he communicated with the 'hologram'...due to looking on the previous Executor shot as being a short *jump-ahead-in-time* by this point, since we last saw him...

...before we then eventually cut to the Emperor's 'hologram' appearing...

So this is a sequence that will work perfectly for me in future, now that I realise it's just another one of those scenes that can be made sense of by looking at it as involving a short *jump-ahead-in-time* moment.... 

...and here's a couple of other examples below, for instance -

Here we see the Falcon approaching cloud city...but it's buildings are still a good distance away at this point...  

...but then there's a short *jump-ahead-in-time* moment, as we then immediately cut to the Falcon suddenly flying amongst the buildings now...

...and in this example below, we see Leia is holding Han's arm as Lando leads them towards Vader...

...and they are in conversation as they turn around this corridor...

...but although it *seems* that we then cut to a *real-time* continuation of the previous shot, which suddenly has Han and Lando on the wrong side of Leia now, with Leia's arms at her sides....I DON'T happen to see it this way...but instead look on this shot as being merely another short *jump-ahead-in-time* moment, set a little further ahead somewhere, compared to where they rounded the corner in the previous shot...

...and rather than hearing the end of what was being discussed in the previous shot above, I reckon we are just picking up again at a slightly LATER point in their continuing conversation when we hear Han say "...But aren't you afraid that the Empire's gonna find out about this little operation, and shut you down?", at this point...

So this shot can seem correct after all, as they've just eventually ended up swapping places during their short 'tour' of the city...at some earlier point after they rounded the corner in the previous shot...

(and this accounts for the different set, floor, and people activity too, of course)

thanks for the info i hope this picture works

Sorry i can only create a link for the actual size.

i dont know why it wont make the picture it normal size on this forum.

Lord Grievous said:

Sorry to backtrack to this topic again Ady, but it's just that I think your version of the holo scene (received for a donation) was damn near perfect.

This latest version has his right eye so dark it seems like he's got a black eye, and that smile (in my opinion) doesn't belong there.

As always, it's your edit, but I just wanted to clarify that I never complained about your first edit of this epic scene.

 So you're just complaining about his finished version instead?  Nice.

People... the hologram scene is DONE! stop filling this thread with microscopic nitpicks that aren't even noticable except when one watches the film frame by frame.

DMaarten said:

People... the hologram scene is DONE! stop filling this thread with microscopic nitpicks that aren't even noticable except when one watches the film frame by frame.

Nothing to say really, I just find this bit funny.