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ImperialFighter
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - 12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW
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4-Feb-2011, 8:28 AM

(on page 886) Grythandril said:

The scene where vader is talking to needa via hologram i noticed that far right of the screen is another part of the holoarea.  will you be removing that and putting part of the stairs to the bridge?

Grythandril, as you recently brought up this additional, 'holo'-like area behind Vader, I'd like to go into it a little now...as I'm curious to know if it's going to remain like that, or not, too -

 

Firstly, here's a 'behind-the-scenes' photo showing a good section of how the 'control room'/'hologram' set looks -

As far as the movie footage goes in the shot below, when we first see Ozzel and Needa walking towards the 'Bridge' area where Vader is...they walk slightly past the 'hologram' section that is opposite the 'control room' section...before turning around to go back a little, when Piett calls over to them...

The part of the set behind them here is a portion of the same grey section that's behind Vader in the top 'hologram' shot above, but this is as much as we see of it in this particular shot...

...but when we follow Ozzel and Needa over to the rear of the 'control room' side of the set...we can see an angled 'pillar' in the foreground on the left the shot, that's also seen in the 'behind-the-scenes' photo above...

It looks as if this 'pillar' is situated roughly opposite the grey section that Ozzel and Needa were beside in the shot above...and a guard can be seen positioned well behind it at this point... 

...and this shot below shows a section of the 'control room' set that extends a little further forward from where the guard is positioned...

So this set section shown here, and the additional 'holo'-like area behind Vader in the top shot...are the 2 shots that show the nearest portions to the 'Bridge' on either side of the set, that we get to see in the movie...

...and we also see the 'pillar' on the left of the shot below too, just after Vader has spoken with the 'hologram' SD commanders...when he crosses the corridor directly across from where he's been standing in the 'hologram' shot at the top...

So that's everything we see in the corridor that's supposedly leading towards the 'Bridge', then.  (note: as opposed to the 'similar' but DIFFERENT-looking corridor set that's been re-arranged for the 'Bounty Hunters' scene...which takes place elsewhere on the 'Executor')

However, it's currently inconclusive in the movie about how far away from the 'Bridge' this 'control room'/additional 'holo'-like area really is...but I've always looked on the footage as being explained away like this anyway -

We initially see this wide, 'stylistic composition' view of the 'Bridge', which shows Vader starting to come towards the 'control room' where we hear Ozzel and Piett talking from...

...and then we cut to a close-up shot of Vader as he's *just about* to exit the 'Bridge'...and can still hear Ozzel and Piett talking...

...but then we cut to seeing Vader suddenly come up beside Ozzel and Piett...before Vader asks "You found something?"...

This direct cut from Vader *just about* to exit the 'Bridge', straight to him suddenly appearing beside Ozzel and Piett...is yet another of those brief *jump-ahead-in-time* moments that's seen throughout the movie.  (which doesn't reveal the exact closeness between the 'Bridge' and 'control room'/'hologram' sections we see onscreen) 

And just like the 'Han/Lando' example that I described on page 886, Ozzel and Piett's conversation can be thought of as being slightly 'further on' from where we last heard them during the previous shot of Vader beginning to approach them...as their voices don't overlap the cut between these 2 shots, because they have FINISHED speaking by the time Vader has eventually reached them to ask "You found something?"

Of course, adywan has now neatly added steps to the initial wide shot of the 'Bridge' to match the set that Vader was filmed exiting near the end of the movie...

...and brilliantly inserted the 'control room' corridor into the background of the mismatching shot seen below...so that things tie-in much better with how things looked earlier in the movie...

...and the fact that this is a MOVING shot makes his 'control room' insert all the more impressive! :)

So to sum up Grythandril, while various shots can never be made to tie-in perfectly without cluttering things up (such as the 'open' view of the wide shot of the 'Bridge' for 'compositional effect')...I reckon that the additional 'holo'-like area seen in the top shot behind Vader could be replaced with a hint of the 'Bridge' steps added instead...OR...just be left as it is, indicating a short section that comes IMMEDIATELY BEFORE the 'Bridge' steps that are just off-screen.

EITHER way would still tie-in well enough with the proximity of the 'control room' insert that's now been added, as far as I can see...and things are certainly a better compromise now than the current footage shows, at the end of the day.