Akwat Kbrana said:
So regarding the PT as badly-acted is elitist, but asserting with equal dogmatism that the entire saga is badly-acted is...what, fair & balanced?
they're incredibly cheesy - people take their love of the original universe created and blow it out of proportion.
See, in my opinion this is far more elitist than the manifold complaints about the PT's poor writing, acting, and execution. You're basically saying that those who prefer the OT over the PT don't have valid opinions because their opinions have been distorted by nostalgia. And that's a lot more elitist than anything RLM and his fans are saying.
First of all I never said the saga was "badly-acted", I said the acting wasn't it's strong point - for example, look at an ensemble cast like that of in BB/TDK and even LOTR and compare it to SW. Saying "the acting in SW is amazing" is just naive and biased. Look, I LOVE Star Wars, but even I can admit Hamill's acting in the SW and ESB wasn't anything special... ESPECIALLY his reaction to Vader's revelation.
That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying those who unconditionally see the OT as perfection and the PT as pure dribble have their opinions distorted by nostalgia - so if you think everyone at OT unconditionally loves the OT and sees it as perfect then I guess you would take it that way, but most people on these forums can point out the flaws to even the OT.
Bingowings said:
Asteroid Man
Sorry but that's daft.
The acting in ROTJ is a bit hit and miss at times but the acting the first two films is essentially cheese free but the important thing is it's acting.
The actors are creating realistic feeling characters rather than just reciting lines and avoiding or aiming for chalk marks on a green floor.
Carrie Fisher as Leia in SW was not good, neither was Anthony Daniels as C3PO in any of the films, or the extras (Kantina Bartender for example). In ESB, Hamill's acting in ESB is his worst performance I've seen (then again I don't really follow his career and I think his acting as the Joker is some of the best voice acting I've ever heard) - just look at his reaction to Vader's revelation.
And you REALLY think SW isn't cheesy? ...honestly? It's incredibly clicheed and formulaic - but the formula works, which is why the films appeal to so many people. 3PO is filled with nothing but cheese, Solo has a lot of cheesy one liners (which is what initially made him so appealing), and there are an incredible amount of re-occurring cheesy lines throughout the saga, like "I've got a bad feeling about this..." Better yet, from Luke blowing up the Death Star and onwards in the first film...
Look, I'm not pointing out the flaws in the PT because they needn't be addressed - everyone is aware of them... I'm trying to simply give people some insight on the sad reality - you want to compare SW to some virtually cheese-less and incredibly acting films (by the entire cast)?
Inception, Toy Story 3, The Lion King, The Dark Knight, Gladiator, Batman Begins, Lord of the Rings, 500 Days of Summer, The Count of Monte Cristo, Road to Perdition, The Prestige, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, The Prince of Egypt, Hotel Rwanda, Equilibrium, Star Trek (the newest one), The Godfather, The Stoning of Soraya M and hell even Tron: Legacy (I'm just talking about the acting and the amount of cheesy moments - not to say those films don't have them either, just that if you compare those films to SW, you'll see a CONSIDERABLE difference.)