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shanerjedi said:

Is this a real discussion or did I suddenly go into some strange bizzaro world for this edit where folks are talking about teeth? :p

Anal retentive or what!? I'm amazed some peeps on here made it more than 10 mins into any of the Star Wars Special Editions with all the gaffes/ CG atrocities and continuity errors - must make their heads explode!

I'm all for attention to detail but there has to be a limit. When peeps are asking for things like potato asteroid being removed, highlighting something that appears on a single frame and now this - then you've gone too far. Give adywan some credit. His work is amazing and his decision-making is spot-on. I hate for him to get bogged down on a single scene which is already awesome - when there is a WHOLE FILM to edit.

greedo said:

shanerjedi said:

Is this a real discussion or did I suddenly go into some strange bizzaro world for this edit where folks are talking about teeth? :p

Anal retentive or what!? I'm amazed some peeps on here made it more than 10 mins into any of the Star Wars Special Editions with all the gaffes/ CG atrocities and continuity errors - must make their heads explode!

I'm all for attention to detail but there has to be a limit. When peeps are asking for things like potato asteroid being removed, highlighting something that appears on a single frame and now this - then you've gone too far. Give adywan some credit. His work is amazing and his decision-making is spot-on. I hate for him to get bogged down on a single scene which is already awesome - when there is a WHOLE FILM to edit.

 

Just to clarify, my post (which mentions teeth) was to back up Adywan's response to the sort of subatomic-critique of his work you mention.

Not part of it.

I can see why people do it and I think it comes from a genuine desire to assist Adywan to get the best out of what he is doing.

When people donate time, advice, ideas, equipment and funds to this project they do so so that Ady can make his edit not so that Ady can make their edit.

When I see these later preview clips I'm really uncomfortable about making suggestions because I appreciate how much work has already gone into getting the footage to look the way it does and I do not want to have Adywan work on this one film for the rest of his life and want to let him off the hook to move onto other things.

These are Ady's projects and his threads.

It's understandable that when a new video is put out people will pick it to pieces and try to make suggestions (often in ignorance of what is possible).

My advice (which he is obviously free to ignore) to Ady is you don't have to try and please everyone or indeed anyone but yourself.

If an idea catches your eye, appeals to you and you think you might be able to do it by all means give it a go but if you try to please everyone you will make yourself ill, probably not be happy with the final result and still not succeed in pleasing everyone.

Posting preview videos keeps the project active in the minds of people following it, possibly helps to raise donations and prompts the odd idea which might be useful but I imagine this late in the day you have your mind made up for the rest of this one.

I'm amazed at what you have managed to achieve and can't wait to see the final product.

People wouldn't notice the staticness if they hadn't been told about it.

Likewise, people are only noticing the motion you added (to placate the whiners) after you tell them about it!

If people don't notice these things, this proves to me that the scene is pretty seamless as it is.

The only problem I've had with it (which I've already mentioned) is something I observed that wasn't told to us prior to the video (as far as I know) which is an indicator that it actually stands out. The problem was created due to how Ady has had to reedit the scene it and is probably not fixable due to the background showing through, so I can accept that :-)

I think all of you guys need to take a chill pill.  I read these posts several times a day and can't believe what a waste some of them are.  Way too much complaining.  If you want to make a better edit, go do it.  Otherwise, quit your b*tchin and enjoy what you get.  I'm glad Ady won't be posting any more videos.  It will stop me from having to go through pages of posts complaining about them.

(on page 860) vaderios said:

Not to mention that the pylon behind Vader seems to be an empty box like they forgot to paint/cover it

 

(on page 861) vaderios said:

(on page 864) Monroville said:

If there is to be any sort of geographical sense of this, the area behind Vader would have to be altered to create an opening to the meditation chamber - the meditation chamber step's wouldn't need to be shown, as the foreground wall beside Vader could conceiveably cover them (though an opening would still have to be created).

It would have to be along these lines:

either the area behind Vader has to be recreated to show the meditation chamber room (being that the pedestal he kneels on is about ONE FOOT away from the bottom circular step to his med chamber), as we should be able to see the edge of the step behind Vader's extended leg, or:

Vader has to be pushed back towards the edge of the wall to account for NOT seeing any part of the med chamber steps, much less the room that surrounds it.  You would also have to add some sort of light source (on the airbrushed wall area above and behind Vader) or light "back wash" from the med chamber to help indicate the presence of another room and opening.

That is, if this really needs to be done... personally, I can see it left "as-is", with maybe some lighting backwash from the left area (to account for the med chamber being more brightly lit than the hologram chamber) and the area between the 2 columns behind Vader to indicate something of an opening.

Monroville, although I prefer that adywan kept the original composition by adding the 'chamber' step into the shot...I just wanted to say that I thought your idea to move the Vader/'holopad' element over to the left of the frame was a neat possible solution at the time. :)

Okay, here's something else that I'm really pleased with, that I'd like to go into now -

Because the existing area behind Vader in the 'side onwards' shots of the 'hologram' was misleadingly filmed (due to being a 're-used' set)...I reckon one of adywan's BEST new fixes is the subtle, but brilliant solution that that he came up with for tweaking that small portion of set detail on the left-hand side of the frame...as it plausibly gives the illusion that both 'halves' of the whole '8'-shaped room connect properly now!

So finally, all the various side views of the overall '8'-shaped room will seem to fit together perfectly in future.  Here's how the footage now matches up -

Let's start with the shot which shows Vader descending the 'chamber' prop.  I'll refer to this as being the 'front' half of the overall '8'-shaped room.  The entrance to this section of the room is somewhere offscreen on the right-hand side of the footage at this point...

...and in the scene below where Vader turns around from Veers towards the 'viewscreen' behind him, the entrance remains somewhere offscreen on the right-hand side of the footage at this point... 

...and in the shot of Piett below, we can now make out a glimpse of the red light that was seen on the 'pillar' with the single 'slit' in the shots above...which gives us a clearer idea of it's proximity to the entrance that leads to this 'front' half of the '8'-shaped room, which we couldn't see in the previous shots shown...

...and as this shot moves to follow Piett coming around Vader's 'chamber' (and walking onto it's bottom step I believe)...we can now see another 'pillar' with a single 'slit' that is positioned on the other side of the entrance, behind Piett...but can't see beyond this 'side' section of the set into the 'back' half of the '8'-shaped room...

...as the only other view of the 'side' section of the set in this scene is this shot of Piett soon afterwards, shown below...which just shows the same 'pillar' that's situated behind the 'chamber' as we saw in the similar Veers angle shown above...

...however, due to adywan's alteration to the left-hand side of the 'side onwards' view of the 'hologram' (see bottom of comparison shot below)...it now works perfectly as being a short section of 'tubing' that would join just beside the 'pillar' that's seen behind Piett in the shot below...

...and because of the angle that Piett's close-up is filmed at...if you imagine that he had previously been standing on the step that's now been added to the shot below...then that particular 'pillar' seen behind him would indeed just be offscreen when we eventually see the 'side onwards' view of the 'hologram' in the 'back' half of the '8'-shaped room...

A teffific little enhancement!

doubleofive said:

ImpFight, I'm so grateful you can do your own screenshots now. ;-)

 I bet...but don't think I've forgotten about that little 'mock-up' I'm planning to ask you about sometime, that I mentioned a while back... :)

adywan said:

The smile was a nod to the original Emperor who smiles at the exact same point.

I've given up on this video. No matter what i do there will be complaints. First the face is too static and that the original emperors face is more emotive, then i add the smile at the same point as the original Emperors smile and some motion to the face, then the face needs to remain more emotionless.

So that's it. No more videos. I'm spending so much time going back over videos i have posted trying to please everyone that i'm wasting time that could be spend on other scenes. When i get to the point that i'm pleased with a shot, i should stop there. I'm never going to please everyone and things just then get bogged down. 

I'm pretty sure that some people thing i can perform impossible things. You have to remember that i can only work with what i have available with  existing footage, etc. The only way i could do the emperor any better now would be to pay Ian to reprise his role in this scene and get him to wear a prosthetic that matches his ROTJ one. But we all know that this is never going to happen.

+1

Ady, you can't please everyone, if you try, you'll go insane. Don't bother with the critics, it'll be bad to youre health. I know it from experience.