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xhonzi said:

In what ways do you consider Airplane! groundbreaking?

It was the breakout hit of the Zuckers/Abrahams team. After Airplane, that formula of humor was highly copied, including by whatever clods made "Airplane 2." 

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Which reminds me, should I watch Meet The Spartans?

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Bingowings said:

I say we settle this with Ker-Plunk (the sport of kings) or are... you... CHICKEN?

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Bingowings said:

Which reminds me, should I watch Meet The Spartans?

 I'd tell you it sucks, but ChainsawAsh says I cant because I didn't finish seeing it. In fact, I stabbed myself in the thigh with a soda straw as an excuse to get out of that theater at about the 12 minute mark.

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I might be pretty undiscerning when it comes to spoofs... I tend to like them more than others.  Yet my expectations are usually pretty low.

There are some good jokes in Meet the Spartans.  There are a lot of bad ones.  If you're inclined to like spoof movies, I'd say go for it.  It's not as good as Scary Movie 3 or 4, and it's not as bad as Superhero Movie.

Now that would be a good infograph.

Original movies on the X axis and their spoofs on the Y axis.

I'm guessing Airplane! beat Airport hands down.

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TheBoost said:

xhonzi said:

In what ways do you consider Airplane! groundbreaking?

It was the breakout hit of the Zuckers/Abrahams team. After Airplane, that formula of humor was highly copied, including by whatever clods made "Airplane 2." 

Is being a hit (a breakout one, or otherwise) the same as being groundbreaking?

By the by, the 7.8 and 5.8 ratings on imdb are much more in line with my opinions on the films.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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xhonzi said:

I might be pretty undiscerning when it comes to spoofs... I tend to like them more than others.  Yet my expectations are usually pretty low.

There are some good jokes in Meet the Spartans.  There are a lot of bad ones.  If you're inclined to like spoof movies, I'd say go for it.  It's not as good as Scary Movie 3 or 4, and it's not as bad as Superhero Movie.

 

 Geez, I'd hate to see "Superhero Movie!"

These new spoof flicks aren't even spoofs. They don't find funny things in the genre and exploit them. They don't even tell jokes. It's just endless series of refrences.

Look, it's bald Britney Spears. Hey, that character said, "save the cheerleader, save the world." I know what that means!! Look, a black midget Indiana Jones!

I really think a computer program could make these movies.

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TheBoost said:

xhonzi said:

I might be pretty undiscerning when it comes to spoofs... I tend to like them more than others.  Yet my expectations are usually pretty low.

There are some good jokes in Meet the Spartans.  There are a lot of bad ones.  If you're inclined to like spoof movies, I'd say go for it.  It's not as good as Scary Movie 3 or 4, and it's not as bad as Superhero Movie.

 

 Geez, I'd hate to see "Superhero Movie!"

These new spoof flicks aren't even spoofs. They don't find funny things in the genre and exploit them. They don't even tell jokes. It's just endless series of refrences.

Look, it's bald Britney Spears. Hey, that character said, "save the cheerleader, save the world." I know what that means!! Look, a black midget Indiana Jones!

I really think a computer program could make these movies.

It is too busy writing episodes of Family Guy.

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xhonzi said:

TheBoost said:

xhonzi said:

In what ways do you consider Airplane! groundbreaking?

It was the breakout hit of the Zuckers/Abrahams team. After Airplane, that formula of humor was highly copied, including by whatever clods made "Airplane 2." 

Is being a hit (a breakout one, or otherwise) the same as being groundbreaking?

I think a hit, new style of comedy film (way zanier than anything else being made at the time) that spawned a slew of imiators counts as groundbreaking.

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Bingowings said:

ST:TMP...there is no suckage.

The whole conversation with Kirk and Spock about taking command seems to me to be a direct reference to Kirk's bumhurt of Decker in TMP something that wouldn't cross Spock's Vulcan mind.

TMP is much more epic and cinematic than the recent film and is about exploration both inner and outer which makes it more like the series to me than any of the other films.

The story samples a number of the classic episodes but so do some of the other films including TWOK which is more like a really good television movie than a piece of epic cinema.

Crap!  There's a Star Trek conversation going on, and I'm missing it!  I agree with pretty much all you say about TMP... but the problem is, the content is good, but the execution is piss-poor.  There's only about 45 minutes worth of movie there (which makes sense, considering it was converted from a television script), and the rest is just padding through special effects, slow, boring, several-minute long special effects sequences.  I remember the first time I watched it.  I made it through the overture well enough, but my jaw dropped when Kirk and Scotty go to the Enterprise.  Good lord!  The first 45 seconds (re: the clips they reused for Wrath of Khan) were amazing and epic.  It was when it went on for about three and a half minutes that my ability to stay conscious began to feel itself in jeopardy.  Sadly, it's a clear case of style over substance.  There's just not enough substance to balance itself against all the fluff.

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I must confess to kidding on there with my earlier question (something I thought would be seen as obvious coming as it did after The Boost comment about Airplane 2).

A 300 spoof is obviously going to be three jokes worthy (the sort of thing you can get away with in GIF form more efficiently).

The guys look a bit gay and they shout a lot and the violence is over the top.

You could probably do the whole thing in as a single photoshopped image.

I remember liking the Shat bits in Airplane 2 but I was a nipper at the time the more memorable thing for me was the repeated sampling from the soundtrack of Battlestar Galactica.

As for the Sllooooooooooooooooowwwwww motion picture.

I've never had a problem with those long sequences as they play off each other (for me obviously not for everyone).

We see the relationship in scale between a human being and the Enterprise in one (as well as getting a basically a love making scene between Kirk and his one serious female relationship), then you get the voyage through the clouds which I've compared before to Harker's trip to Castle Dracula and finally you get the once giant scale of the Enterprise dwarfed by the voyage around V'ger.

These are purely cinematic sequences.

There is no way that could ever be pulled off on a television show, just as many of David Lean's slow voyages through various vistas in his films couldn't and it clearly wasn't a popular move as I can't imagine anything like it being done again, especially in a 'franchise' movie.

The nearest thing to that sort of risk taking with a well known brand was probably Fire Walk With Me and at the time even the people primed for Lynch didn't respond to what he did there.

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Bingowings said:

I must confess to kidding on there with my earlier question (something I thought would be seen as obvious coming as it did after The Boost comment about Airplane 2).

A 300 spoof is obviously going to be three jokes worthy (the sort of thing you can get away with in GIF form more efficiently).

The guys look a bit gay and they shout a lot and the violence is over the top.

You could probably do the whole thing in as a single photoshopped image.

I remember liking the Shat bits in Airplane 2 but I was a nipper at the time the more memorable thing for me was the repeated sampling from the soundtrack of Battlestar Galactica.

As for the Sllooooooooooooooooowwwwww motion picture.

I've never had a problem with those long sequences as they play off each other (for me obviously not for everyone).

We see the relationship in scale between a human being and the Enterprise in one (as well as getting a basically a love making scene between Kirk and his one serious female relationship), then you get the voyage through the clouds which I've compared before to Harker's trip to Castle Dracula and finally you get the once giant scale of the Enterprise dwarfed by the voyage around V'ger.

These are purely cinematic sequences.

There is no way that could ever be pulled off on a television show, just as many of David Lean's slow voyages through various vistas in his films couldn't and it clearly wasn't a popular move as I can't imagine anything like it being done again, especially in a 'franchise' movie.

The nearest thing to that sort of risk taking with a well known brand was probably Fire Walk With Me and at the time even the people primed for Lynch didn't respond to what he did there.

So what you're saying is... ... um... that "Meet the Spartans" is kind of a spiritual sequal to "ST:TMP." I guess I could see that.

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Wow! What a pleasant coincidence. Just turned on the DVR and "Airplane" and "Airplane 2" are both on it. Boo-Yeah!