STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - 12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW — Page 879

I feel terrible suggesting this especially when you have so much nailed down and looking great but what I loved about the old lady with the chimp eyes version was the weird blink during contemplating Luke's temptation.

It added a creepy suggestion of relish to his face.

The eyes are hidden in the shadow and distortion but might it be possible and possibly effective to get an something like that by adding a very brief interference spark suggestive of a gleam in his eye (not a real gleam but something caused by the hologram jitter that looks a bit like a glint of sinister anticipation, a bit like a pixel burn out on an old monitor)?

Just a thought.

If everyone is so concerned about restoring the mention of Luke's full name, it might be worth trying to contact this guy. He does amazing impressions, and Palpatine is one of his specialties. There are a bunch of clips of him doing Palpatine impressions... here are just a couple of them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z-i4NjNSeY

(Right around 2:37)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNwb1T_Xlfo&feature=channel

(At 1:59)

New clip looks great! Although, is it just me, or is the Emperor looking more to the side (to his right) rather than straight at Vader?

Captain Antilles said:

If everyone is so concerned about restoring the mention of Luke's full name, it might be worth trying to contact this guy. He does amazing impressions, and Palpatine is one of his specialties. There are a bunch of clips of him doing Palpatine impressions... here are just a couple of them:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z-i4NjNSeY

(Right around 2:37)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNwb1T_Xlfo&feature=channel

(At 1:59)

 Nope, sounds terrible to MY ears

adywan said:

Loconut said:

Great clip! On another note, I hate to 're-post' but does anyone have confirmation on a fix regarding:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-V-REVISITED-EDITION-ADYWAN-CHRISTMAS-CLIP-NOW-AVAILABLE/post/466574/#TopicPost466574

Thnx.

you mean this:

As for the dots, i haven't bothered doing anything with them

Alright, thanks. I'll try and ignore the dots (or lack thereof) ;) Great Emperor clip btw.

Okay vaderios, there were a lot of different (and sometimes confusing) comments to do with the whole 'Emperor's hologram' scene that cropped up, and lasted for several pages from page 860 onwards...but I've now found some time to get back to you on a few things about it. 

However, since the full 'Emperor' clip has just been previewed, it's now okay for me to add a few extra thoughts on it too.  So I'm re-writing some things I'd started to type earlier, and will to need to split them over seperate posts, as things will get too confusing if I try go into them all in a single post. 

Here's the first thing then -

(on page 866) vaderios said:

Ady I ve noticed some variance that might be interesting.

ImpFighter i want your input here if you want :)

In the first image (i brighten it up in purpose) you can see before the holo appeared a different pattern on the wall.. That have two rentagle holes.

I tried think what would be more easy. adding a similar pylon like the rest of the others to that spot or make the back walls like they should be?

Assuming that not only one pylon with that pattern would be present thats why i ve made 2. Maybe i'm wrong and its only one.

Fancy that this room is full of surprises and variations

For the more radical ones the double rentagles might be the emitters of the holograms :P ;)

To recap, I've accepted that the 're-used' set that was used for both the current 'chamber' shots and the 'hologram' shots DON'T give a good enough impression that it's meant to be one big circular (or oval) room, unfortunately...due to the angles it's been filmed at...but thanks to some recent comments, I'm now fully onboard with the notion of *imagining* that the onscreen footage shows an almost '8'-shaped room instead...as this makes more sense of how the footage looks.

And my own preference would be for the walls around both 'sections' of this *imaginary* '8'-shaped room to remain a little different to each other...to help sell this notion as much as possible. 

So while it was an interesting idea vaderios, I'd have to say that I wasn't too keen on your proposal to make the 'pillars' behind the front-facing 'hologram' have two 'slits' on them instead of one...as this would have the effect of making them too similar to the ones at the back of the 'other' section where Vader's 'chamber' is...

So, my own preference was to keep to the current single 'slits' seen on the surrounding 'pillars' at the back of the 'hologram' shots...

...so that it's back wall would remain different from the back wall of the 'chamber' shots, where the 'pillars' seen either side of the 'viewscreen have two 'slits'...

However, the fact remains that we can briefly see that the 'pillar' on the right-hand side of the current shot below, actually shows two 'slits', just before the 'hologram' appears...

...but I'm pleased to see that the two 'slits' are effectively obscured in adywan's version...so things tie together better now with the back of the wall that's seen during the front-facing 'hologram' shots! :)

Here's another couple of things for now vaderios -

(on page 864) vaderios said:

PS: Anyone notice how asymmetrical are the black think lines (matte section) in the holo room? It screams that it is painted and it lacks the style of a more hard surface and less the organic/painted look...

(on page 866) vaderios said:

I tried to fix most of the surrounding problems too

I'd actually never looked at the ceiling detail closely before vaderios, so this was another new one for me. :)

I like how you've made the black lines/slits a little more symmetrical in your mock-up, but there's a couple of other alternatives to consider too - instead of 'shortening' the pair of lines/slits in the way you've done, to make them match...the other pair could have been 'lengthened' instead, so that they go right up to the top of the frame like all the other pairs.  And another alternative is this - if they are just left the way they are, then the pairs of lines/slits could just be *imagined* to be an 'alternating' pattern of short and long lines/slits going all the way around. 

Personally, I reckon any of these possibilities can work, so I've no particular preference...but I do think that the actual thickness of these ceiling lines/slits could be made to match a little better between them all...as I notice you didn't reduce the width of the VERY thick one nearest the left-hand side of the frame in your mock-up. (although that one may just be a 'forced perspective' thing that's fine as it is)

(and although I've absolutely no problem with the indistinct detail of Vader in the existing 'hologram' shots, due to the overall lighting levels in them...I thought you did a nice job of him in your mock-up)

(on page 864) vaderios said:

...the black areas that were painted in the holo shots are there. So i assume that ady will not bother with that detail because it doenst affects the story but to me is details that fills the aesthetic. 

Not to mention the damn dark/light areas that varyies from the shot to shot

This is another of those little things I never noticed before vaderios. :)

The ceiling in these two shots is merely 'darkened out', compared to how it looks in the 'side-onwards' shots of the 'hologram'.  I haven't time to check, but I think at least one of these is a moving shot, so I'm not sure if it's something that can be made to match the look of the 'hologram' shots better, or not.  But if not, then I'm just going to *imagine* that it's down to either the lighting levels in this 'section' of the '8'-shaped room...or that this 'section' has a different type of ceiling above it, compared to the 'hologram' section! :)

Also - althought I haven't checked the footage here...is the brighter-lit area on the right-hand side of Needa in the bottom shot just a result of the 'chamber' giving off more light due to it being more open here?

Excellent clip Adywan.  Until I saw your clip, I always hated every version of that scene.  Yours looked perfect to me until I read everyone's comments.  It seems like you can't ever make something perfect because it can always be improved.  The only thing that I would personally change if I was working on this is having a slight movement to his eyes.  I would think that would be easy enough to do and would make him look more alive.  The eyes are the window to the soul, so to speak.  On the audio side, I prefer the "Luke" version.  It really struck me with a chill hearing his name spoken by the emperor.  It was like having a big target put on him and they have been doing their research - they know his name!  Eek!

- Mike

And... there was me thinking the last emperor clip was good. This one looks even better, and I don't even know what has changed! ;D

Gonna have to compare them now. ;x

I thought just having him so still and expressionless made the emperor more eerie. That he's become so inhuman and evil now that he doesn't emote (unless he's taking pleasure in doing something evil such as mocking/torturing Luke).

But that's just me. In any case, I never thought it looked fake. How much are you guys expecting his face to move just from talking as sedately as he does? It's flickering so much that you surely wouldn't notice anyway!

The eyes not blinking aren't really a problem for me, nor did i notice it until other people pointed it out. Again, it could be seen to add to his "monster" quality.

Also, the eyes being in shadow helped evoke the original hologram more. That was far more shadowy than the 2004 version. We also don't know what ady has in store for the PT. Cut halloween mask palpatine entirely? If so, and his face is just the result of age and corruption, and not a Sith lighting blowback accident, then the evil "sith" eyes are saved for his reveal in ROTJ. We get a glimpse of how old and warped he's become via an obscured flickering hologram, but we don't see the full extent of it (his eyes or bumpy head) until ROTJ.

The amount of movement on the hologram effect is unfortunate, but obviously necessary as it relied on the interference on the mouth. If we had the source video of that 2004 hologram handy, it would be possible, as well as making ady's job a hell of a lot easier!

All in all, I'm blown away, and hope he doesn't take people's observations (I hesitate to call them criticisms) to heart.

In story terms the flickering could be explained as interference because of proximity to the asteroid field.

They cleared the field to try to avoid that problem but it's well within the logic of the story that they didn't have time to clear the field enough to receive a clear transmission and only just enough to send one.

I'm in the same boat myself Ady so I do sympathise.

Captain Antilles said:

If everyone is so concerned about restoring the mention of Luke's full name, it might be worth trying to contact this guy. He does amazing impressions, and Palpatine is one of his specialties. There are a bunch of clips of him doing Palpatine impressions... here are just a couple of them:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z-i4NjNSeY

(Right around 2:37)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNwb1T_Xlfo&feature=channel

(At 1:59)

i dunno i think joe lieberman does the best palpy impression going.   

and i don't think that he's even trying (shhhh.....)