Treadwell said:
2. Someone pointed out color inconsistencies inside the Sandcrawler. There might very well be, but using the lights on Artoo as reference is problematic, as they were fiber optics that led to a color wheel--so the colors would change as the wheel turned.
That was just a way of me to demonstrate how F***ED up the '04 transfer is. In this case my example isn't problematic as Artoo's light was always green in that shot as well as every other shot of it. My point was to show how many errors there really are in these transfers down to the smallest details, this is just not a matter of a new colortiming done to the films, these are fatal technical errors in the transfers that not making any sense, some may not notice them but there is hundreds of these instances throughout these DVD's, it's just that when it happens when a lighsaber is on screen, everyone notice it, that's why I don't think those kind of differences should be listed.
To me the 2004 DVD's just looks like a little child sat and played with all the settings, in one shot the saturation is bumped up to the max in the next it is totally desaturated, in one scene the black levels are crushed, a few moments later it has clipped white levels, this all happens within scenes that were shot at the same time with the same lightning conditions and were supposed to look identical, they're just apart because of editing, (C-3PO in the garage, for example).
The same thing happens in the lightsaber battle, when Vader's correct green lights in his belt goes from green to blue and back again from shot to shot, but most people will just recognise that Vader has a pink saber in one shot and Ben a purple in another, the problem with the colors are more extensive than that and often related.
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How do you even accomplish something like this?! Try to fix these flaws with color correction... you simply can't, these are fundamental technical glitches that are everywhere in these transfers, not artistic changes...I hope.
Treadwell said:
7. On DVNR and hologram scan lines: it's been pointed out, but I must support the notion that the GOUT/'93 laserdisc sources cannot be trusted when evaluating such fine detail. The DVNR was applied during telecine, so the GOUT isn't going to be any better than other '93 fan copies in that regard. There was some mention of GOUT actually being softer...would comparisons to fanmade '93 LD transfers help in this case? Is the EditDroid version still about the best, or have better ones come along?
The GOUT can be trusted where the scanlines are noticable, all holograms had scanlines in them in the original trilogy, it was just that they didn't include them for some recomposites that were made in '97.
The scanlines in the Emperor hologram for example, are in the '93 telecine, but are barely noticable on the GOUT due to vertical blur or something, you can see them on several fanmade '93 LD transfers, I posted a few examples earlier in the thread.
Thanks for joining the thread, Treadwell. Nice observations!