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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!) — Page 74

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Moth3r said:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Harmy said:

Like I always say, the garbage mates shouldn't be there because they are a mistake created by the video transfer, not the original cinematography.

I tend to agree.  There is a difference between preserving the film versus preserving the video.  I don't ever remember seeing boxes around the fighters in the theater. I'm guessing some people did, but I think that they shouldn't have been visible in a properly configured projection.  Just because early video transfers exposed some things that wouldn't have been seen in the theater, doesn't mean that those artifacts are worth preserving on later, better home videos.

See also "The Emperor's Slugs".

 

coincidentally I just now used a scene with those in it to adjust my TV's brightness

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Well, digital transfer is not ever an exact restoration or preservation of a film, because the media are so utterly different. The color models are different, the way they are viewed is different, the size of the viewing screen is different, the resolutions have different characteristic pros and cons, etc. Therefore there will always be some decisions and some compromises made. As long as a digital restoration involves making decisions in an effort to most closely replicate what viewers witnessed in a best possible theater projection of the time, I am ok with that.  But adding effects or doing things that go beyond what viewers would have witnessed in a theater is going too far.

The garbage mattes are a grey-area (no pun intended), in that they were present in the film, but not necessarily in a viewing. So if a digital viewing of them presents as an "artifact" a greater likelihood of their visibility, and thus an alteration of the experience from what a theater-goer would have experienced in the best-possible theater setup of the day, I would be ok with a restorer deciding that a digital version in which they are removed would be closer to restoring what the film experience was like.

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Moth3r said:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Harmy said:

Like I always say, the garbage mates shouldn't be there because they are a mistake created by the video transfer, not the original cinematography.

I tend to agree.  There is a difference between preserving the film versus preserving the video.  I don't ever remember seeing boxes around the fighters in the theater. I'm guessing some people did, but I think that they shouldn't have been visible in a properly configured projection.  Just because early video transfers exposed some things that wouldn't have been seen in the theater, doesn't mean that those artifacts are worth preserving on later, better home videos.

See also "The Emperor's Slugs".

What is your bidding, my master?

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Sluggo said:

Moth3r said:

See also "The Emperor's Slugs".

What is your bidding, my master?

Did you mean: "What is thy bidding, my webmaster?"

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Where slugs are mentioned, I am there.  

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bkev said:

^That is the best username on this website. I wish I could give you a prize.

Just the acknowledgment is worth it.

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Here's something else to factor in.  Spike TV paid $65-$70 million for 6 years, to have exclusive broadcast cable rights for the hexology.  That was 2005.  Contracts up.  Having this "upgraded" blu-ray version being the next broadcast version can only help increase the next TV deal.

Aside - anyone have preservations of the Spike versions? (since it's off-topic answer in PM please)

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I don't think that Spike deal actually kicked in until 2008.

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I don't think that Spike deal actually kicked in until 2008.

Yup you're right, thought that was just the RotS premiere, but it was the full hexology, beginning in April'08.  Theory over.

Wonder if they'll return these blu-ray cuts to Fox for premiere...

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Official Trailer shows evidence of the same flaws as the 2004 edition... color me (pun intended) unimpressed.

 

I can forgive flaws in the original films (in their intended theatrical presentation) a lot more than I can crap introduced decades later.

 

Place your bets now on how many times the discs will be re-released!

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Kurgan said:

Official Trailer shows evidence of the same flaws as the 2004 edition... color me (pun intended) unimpressed.

 

Place your bets now on how many times the discs will be re-released!

We must remember the 1997 footage on the 1st 2004 DVD's trailer.

But yes, I find it unlikely that they will fix any colour issue. I shall wait for more info about it before I buy anything.

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No, no, the colars really will be fixed! Kenkraly said so!

Every 27th customer will get a ball-peen hammer, free!

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I bet the ANH audio will still be messed up? How is ANH's audio on Spike TV?

"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." - Tuco from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
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Akwat Kbrana said:

No, no, the colars really will be fixed! Kenkraly said so!

My mistake. Nothing to worry about then.

Patrick R. said:

I bet the ANH audio will still be messed up? How is ANH's audio on Spike TV?

I think this will be fixed. IIRC, Matthew Wood spoke about it on one of the ForceCast.

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Patrick R. said:

I bet the ANH audio will still be messed up? How is ANH's audio on Spike TV?

Unless they broadcast it in 5.1 i think it is probably the 2.0 mix for the standard def broadcast, as for the HD i don't know since i never saw them.

 

Note the 2.0 mix on the DVD and broadcast was a 2.0 presentation of the 5.1 so all the flaws are still quite in evidence.  They did not use the 1997 5.1 or 2.0.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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I haven't seen the trailer on a computer with a decent monitor, are the crushed blacks still there?

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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It would be nice to see one of Lucas kids get him to put the oot out and restore it, Like Luke bringing Darth Back from the darkside.  Won't happen but would be nice.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Alexrd said:

Akwat Kbrana said:

No, no, the colars really will be fixed! Kenkraly said so!

My mistake. Nothing to worry about then.

Patrick R. said:

I bet the ANH audio will still be messed up? How is ANH's audio on Spike TV?

I think this will be fixed. IIRC, Matthew Wood spoke about it on one of the ForceCast.

 

I haven't been here for a while, but I'll say this much...I saw the blu-ray trailer on YouTube and the colors of the lightsabers that cross the Emperor's face in Jedi are still DVD-esque. i.e. They don't have the white-light center.

Assuming the footage in the trailer is from the blu-ray footage than it's nice to see we have another botched release.  Damn you LucasFilm.

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RATLSNAKE said:

Damn you LucasFilm.

Seconded without any reservations at all.  How dare they suppress film history and they cannot even get the special edition right.

Even if i was exclusively a fan of the 2004, i would be pissed off that it remains unfixed, despite having a new audio mix for a new hope.  The only new thing in the boxset besides a new set of bonus features on the saga set.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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RATLSNAKE said:

I haven't been here for a while, but I'll say this much...I saw the blu-ray trailer on YouTube and the colors of the lightsabers that cross the Emperor's face in Jedi are still DVD-esque. i.e. They don't have the white-light center.

Assuming the footage in the trailer is from the blu-ray footage than it's nice to see we have another botched release.  Damn you LucasFilm.

We've all got there. The problem is that we still don't know if that's the footage from the Blu-rays.

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The claim that ESB came out too blue because they were using better monitors is, frankly, laughable.

Ok stumbled upon this and found it... well... phunnie. 

Now go get into your time machine. 

 

 

Set the dial for January 12th, 1996, 3:00 am:

 

 

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.tech/browse_thread/thread/8cbd4dae68b6e3d5/cd4d29ebeff22a0?hl=pt&q=%22star+wars%22+%22telecine%22#0cd4d29ebeff22a0

In article <30F54C9C.4...@pixar.com>, Hal Hickel  <h...@pixar.com> wrote:

>Lisle Foote wrote:

>> >I recently purchased a copy of the new "remastered" Star Wars trilogy.
>> >I was suprised to see that during a number of special effects laden
>> >scenes a slight.................

(material deleted about seeing garbage mattes, and followup about tech
explanations)

I asked Tom Holman (former tech director of Lucafilm and TH of THX) about
seeing the garbage mattes on the THX Star Wars CLV laserdiscs. The topic
has been argued frequently in the laserdisc newsgroups. He did say that
you must calibrate your tv properly, especially for black level and
brightness. Even then, your TV's D.C. restoration characteristics may not
be good. He said that on their calibrated TV monitors, the garbage mattes
are not visible.

Now there are two of them!  Pixar person continues:

Oh well; I think I still see some of them, even after
calibrating (AVS pluge). May be my DC restoration.

...am i'm not sure who's laughing now.  <puts hands on head and rocks slowly>

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Leave it to none to find the awesomeness!  Maybe if LFL says it's a calibration issue enough, it will be true.

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Harmy wrote:

Wow, that forum certainly is an interesting read

That's no forum, that's Usenet!

Where else could you find someone from Pixar (and soon to be ILM) publicly blowing off a statement made by the guy who invented THX.  Of course what is a sound engineer doing making comments about the visual medium...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomlinson_Holman

Tomlinson Holman is an American film theorist, audio engineer, and inventor of film technologies, notably the Lucasfilm THX sound system. He developed the world's first 10.2 sound system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Hickel

Hal T. Hickel is a visual effects animator for Industrial Light & Magic.

At the age of 12, Hickel wrote a letter to Lucasfilm outlining his ideas for a sequel to Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope and received a polite rejection letter from producer Gary Kurtz. The letter now hangs on the wall of Hickel's office at ILM. Twenty years later, Hickel found himself working on Star Wars after all, as a lead animator on Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace.