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Sluggo said:

I posted it over there, when it should have been here.  The DM's tweaked version makes the skin-tones look ashen.  I didn't think it was an improvement.

Thanks for that but I need to know how my tweaks look as well, I just compared to his, from now on I will compare to the "as is" V3 render.

I really like how they look so far! Wouldn't even mind if they were final.

hehe..

The actually looked very good.  I think it had enough color without being too much color.  The 'balance' that everyone was clamouring over seems to be there in the latest batch.  Are the characters just a touch tan?  Sure, but as you metioned, Luke has lived in the desert all his life and Han is probably outside hauling around contraband on Tatooine and other places in the Corperate Sector, so his tan works as well.  And it probably helps him get the ladies.

I wouldn't mind seeing these as the final colors as well.  To me they look very good.

In this post, I think your colors are the (much) better of the two.  DrM's seem sickly (especially the one of Luke's face).  In yours, some examples of skin tone still seem a bit red, while others are spot on.  If this is where you leave things, I'd be very pleased.

Having said that, I think DrM's "Tweak v4"colors in this post seem very good (that is, they are very close to yours).

You are WRONG, I have not posted pics of the V3 as is in a while now, all the ones I have been posting I have been tweaking on, so that is a false statement.

Doctor M said:

Wait, what?  I'm very confused.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/GOUT-Automated-Theatrical-Colouring-and-a-Reference-Guide/post/464216/#TopicPost464216

The images marked v3 DJ have color tweaks?  I guess I misunderstood.

Yes, I was comparing what I have been messing with, to what you are doing, as I said, I have not posted any V3 "as is unaltered straight g-force" pics in a while.

Here are a few more pic samples,

They definitely look better.

I'm on the fence as well... I think they look fine "as is" but if the tweaked  versions are more true, well then go with that.

Either way these discs are going to be amazing, and my new "go-to" version, especially in light of the fact that the Blu-Rays will not include the OOT.

Edit: After looking at the pics on my desktop, as opposed to laptop, I think I prefer the tweaked pics, DJ.

I like them better with the corrections than without.

I wouldn't go by old film cells as absolute colour reference. Doesn't most film have to be colour corrected anyway?

You'd probably get a better comparison digging out the SW Bonus DVD from the trilogy boxset and looking at the old promotional teasers and trailers for each film.

Well, they may have faded, but those cels will have the final color correction baked in - it's just the way they did it then.  The only print that wouldn't have any color correction applied would be the first interpositive, and maybe an internegative after that.  (If what I understand about the pre-digital color timing process is accurate.)

My only thought is whether or not the 70mm version had different color timing than the 35mm version.

Now, you may ask, "Wouldn't they make the 70mm blowup from the color-corrected print?"  Not necessarily.  That would mean using an answer print struck from an internegative struck from an interpositive (that was possibly also struck from another internegative, which was struck from yet another interpositive) that was struck from the camera negatives.

This, naturally, means all the generational loss of a 35mm release print, just blown up to 70mm.  But everything I've heard about the 70mm print says it has to have looked better than that.

So I think it's more likely that the 70mm blow-up was made from either the camera negatives (less likely), or the first master interpositive made from the conformed camera negatives (more likely).  That would mean it would have to go through the same color timing process, but in 70mm (resulting in much less generational loss, though the release print would still be a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy).

Then again, that may have been too expensive, so I could be wrong and the 70mm blow-ups could have been struck directly from the final 35mm answer print.

I do think that Empire went through two distinctly different post processes for 70mm (first) and 35mm (second), accounting for the slight differences in editing, effects, and sound.  So the 70mm Empire probably did have distinctly different color timing than the 35mm.

I have no idea about Jedi, though (seems to be a common theme for that film).

Double post, sorry, but I just saw this:

LexX said:

the whole Death Star sequence seems to have a bad green cast throughout (the scene I selected was almost the least greenest) and all of these shots, too, could use shifting towards magenta. So while there is some green in DS walls etc. I don't think they should be as green as some of you have tweaked them. If you've seen promotional images etc. DS was never green.

The Death Star sequences were originally color timed so the walls were a shade of greenish-blue instead of solid gray.  Those caps are fairly accurate, though I think they are a little too green.

The Death Star interior does seem to be significantly less blue and contrasty in the 70mm scans than in those Technicolor photographs.  The funny thing is, both of them look equally 'correct' in differing ways . . .

Might be time to expand the acronyms to GOUTCC.

(George's Original Unaltered Trilogy: Color Changed, Color Corrected, Changed Chroma, etc.)

Having GOUT as the title of this project and then manipulating the colors seems against the GOUT name.

So maybe it'll become: GOLDCC - George's Original LaserDisc Changed Colors

GOLDOC - George's Original LaserDisc Original Colors

LOLDOC - Lucasfilm's Original LaserDisc Original Colors

So what should I try next? I need some suggestions, I like the above tweaks, at least better than the "as is" version, but I have not looked at other scenes yet either.