TV's Frink said:
Or Rapidshare...or Megaupload...or Mediafire...or....
There's a million choices.
I guess, but jdownloader is a real pain.
Ignorant of many things, but still a real bro.
Yep they are all uploaded to Megaupload so I have shared the links to one person already for the SBS widescreen A New Hope DVD
Tell us your verdict later, none, I'm slightly interested.
Ignorant of many things, but still a real bro.
Yep, despite what I said before I'm interested too.
The pictures do look nice, indeed.
This is all new to me, so i'll write out the challenges as I come across them. (the short version I cannot adequately review this at the moment)
Downloads are fine. Currently have two segments which i've expanded and that should be the first minute or two. Seems to be a traditional VIDEO_TS, and in VLC, you get what Neptune was showing, two side by side images. The right looking like a normal file, just squooshed and the left has some process applied to it. Very apparent when looking at the opening crawl
So the first problem is to find a player. from FAQ's like this:
http://www.dzignlight.com/stereo/erics_stereoscopic_faq.shtml#macintosh
There are no Mac 'stereoscopic player'
Was able to find this PC one:
http://www.3dtv.at/Downloads/Index_en.aspx
Ok so open Neptune's VIDEO_TS into 'Stereoscopic Player'
asks for audio : use Ulead DVD
asks for Stereoscopic Input Format : go with the first option "Interlaced (Field Sequential), Right Line First"
(btw, have my Avatar 3d glasses on)
So lesson learned, these 3D Half-SBS files require 3DTVs, DUH. Reading the FAQ at 3dtv.at, the movie theater glasses will not work, Dolt2.
Conclusion: I'm 3D retarded. Was hoping I could play these in some fashion, but not from what I currently know.
Wait a second, under File is an options called 'Multi-view', ok the 'Sensio' option looks like the old skool blue/red shifted 3d. and now it seems that the trial version of Stereoscopic Player only gives you 5 minutes.
Neptune, what do you use to play these things?
Oddly, poked around and there's a TPM in 3D Half-SBS on usenet. If I can make sense of it, will post caps. Maybe having two different movies to cross compare still, will be a beginning way to appreciate 3D. But the key is probably getting the 3DTV with all the bells and whistles.
Going with the 'Sensio' option, uncovered an old blue/red glasses probably got from a box of cereal. And it works. Have only downloaded to just before entering the Rebel Blockade Runner, so don't have enough adequate discussion, but the RBR and SD pass over do have some depth with the primitive glasses option. Would expect with proper gear this to be good.
The 20th Century Fox logo, definitely pops. The background with moving clouds read far away, the logo prominently centered and the 'news corporation' registers closest.
The Lucasfim logo, is meh. there's no 3d stuff there anyway.
The Star Wars recedeing, seems like it's sphereized and getting smaller, more then it feels that it's receding.
The crawl, left-right wobbles a bit. But keep in mind i'm using the least preferred viewing method on the list. and as it recedes it goes red. again probably because of the conversion process. It's probably difficult to get the hard font graphics to interact with the 3D process.
As said before the RBR/SE pass over is very good. A good sense of depth, and the colors look true, no overwhelming blue or red shifting halo. The first explosion went all blocky for a frame or two. But the second did not. The SD so far is great, you get pulled into how big it is, and the RBR travel away camera. The three major planets read slightly different. ...but that's all i've got so far, stops just as the cargo bay passes over.
So great work, look forward to the rest of it. Hoping that i'm missing a setting or two which would get closer to what a read 3DTV might provide.
Since this is all so foreign, would love to read some tutorials, to understand what that left hand image is providing. Sounds like it's not really an image it's a 3D field modification layer. Don't get how the process take the information from the left and modifies the right. If anyone downloads the Stereoscopic Player, flip between the options, there are multiple ways it seems, some results are quite surprising.
This project looks interesting! Can anyone please PM me the megaupload links if possible?
Cool feesback None.
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If I seemed like I was hijacking your topic, I do so apologize. I have worked on the same type of project and was wondering if you would be willing to kinda team up and trying to make the best of both worlds. I already have A New Hope completed in my way, but things can always be better.
Let me know, and I do apologize once again. Not my intensions at all.
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Kamyio, are your and Neptune's project affiliated at all? I can understand your decision not to post in your previous thread because you seem to be moving in a new direction of just converting the Wookiegroomer version to HD. However, it doesn't really seem proper just to post in this thread because it is a similar project...
Also, when you offer to make a Blu-Ray copy and ask for a blank, are you talking about a BD-25 or a BD-50 or will the thing fit on a DVD-9 that is encoded to be a Blu-Ray. Anyway, your project does interest me. I look forward to you making another thread about this.
Really this is nothing against him. We share the same ideas, and I was just suggesting becoming affiliated so we can both do a better job together.
As for Discs a BD-25 should be sufficient, though I am starting to build a library of interviews etc. So I may have to up it to 50 in the future. Though note this is only the anaglyph. I have been working the project of having a stereoscopic fora very long time and it has been exhausting and that will for sure take BD-50, probably be a 2 disc set actually.
Again, Neptune, if your willing we can bang this thing out together!
Got it. You willingness to have an affiliation with Neptune wasn't so clear in your first few posts here. Anyway, I'm glad you decided to continue on a 3D Conversion. It's never been done before and the more projects, the better.
Exactly, i don't want George Lucas to do this, I want it to be the legacy of the fans that makes these films go on. By doing so we get exactly what we want, not the constant reedits, etc. from Lucas.
I'll be putting up a more proper post, and I hope to hear from you Neptune!
Wow, I don't know about Neptune but I'd be seriously pissed off if someone tried to hijack one of my project threads like this, especially without trying to contact me privately first.
I'm definitely not hijacking, I was just asking if he would like to team up and showing how far I have gotten. I really have nothing to gain from this, though if it were preferred I will remove all text I have posted.
I don't believe Neptune will be returning to this forum. He has not logged in since the day he joined. From the information Neptune has left in this thread, anyone is able to track down him. What he mentioned does exists. Details of how they came about are sketchy. The creation dates of some of the movies are days apart so significant automation was probably used. These versions are more an example of what the software can do then what 3D as an artform might produce. But not sure what that software is or what was actually done.
The community Neptune's apart of are 3D enthusiasts. From 1950s comics to the latest direct rip. Even in their forums there is a respected difference between actual 3D content and 2D-3D Conversions. The 2D-3D conversions are a way of gaining attention to this emerging field and bringing people into their community. The 2D-3D conversions are also a way to game the market, which won't have these officially done for several years. But they could also be people with connections to the actual tools and processing power and are just in front of the learning curve. To improve the technology, you do need to do tests. To figure out what works and what doesn't.
There is a second TPM 3D Half-SBS out there, so some comparison can be done to see who's doing 3D better, or which scenes came out more effective.
Ooops, sorry, kamyio, didn't want to be an ass or anything. I meant more like the pictures you posted because when I saw them, I thought they were from Neptune's conversion. To be honest I'm not very good with names, so I thought you were the guy who started this thread and when I found out you weren't I may have overreacted a little in my post here. It's just that I wouldn't be happy if someone posted something in my thread, that could be by mistake considered to be my work.
So, no hard feelings, I hope.
Dude, no problem at all. I will be starting a new fresh Topic about 3D and Star Wars and how far I have gotten.
Kamiyo, did you do the 3D Conversion manually or by some automated program. I'm curious since the previous tends to have better results. Also, I agree with you that Neptune probably isn't coming back, effectively killing any chance of a collaboration between you and him. However, didn't he release his 3D Conversion of A New Hope to MegaUpload and share the links with none? He said:
Neptune said:
Yep they are all uploaded to Megaupload so I have shared the links to one person already for the SBS widescreen A New Hope DVD
Anyway, it should be easy for none to give us the links. Then we can make a comparison between your version and his, seeing who has the better 3D Conversion process. Yours will probably win out. I don't think his are in HD.
I use special scripting tools to get it into 3D, no programs other than actual video file conversion. Though I found a problem with mine last night, the encoding wasn't being well received via NGV (the reason why you guys couldn't download my version before) So, of course this is my task this weekend so you all can give me some good feedback.
Thanks!
kamyio said:
I use special scripting tools to get it into 3D
What special scripting tools, I think people wouldn't mind knowing, unless it is "top secret", so can you clarify a little more than special scripting tools?
Can the red-blue versions be played on a regular DVD player?
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
kamyio wrote:
I use special scripting tools to get it into 3D, no programs other than actual video file conversion. Though I found a problem with mine last night, the encoding wasn't being well received via NGV
What is behind the requirement of you 3D folks for program secrecy?
The Aluminum Falcon wrote:
Anyway, it should be easy for none to give us the links.
As i've explained to some others through PM, I will not be giving out these links. Neptune never got back to me about any of this, so I don't know what's going on over there. Just because he doesn't log back in doesn't mean he's hiding.
There's a scene at the other end, very much like this one, with it's own idiosyncracies. My impression is that they sense a new technology unfolding and they are there to fill the public's desire until the actual thing comes through. On one hand, maybe they are just tech savy and learning the ropes, looking for appreciation of their work or other something else entirely. kamiyo's posts gives off the same vibe.
I can't understand this whole secrecy thing either, there are a few members here that are this way, I thought we are all here to help one another,hell aren't we all trying to pretty much achieve that same thing? Adywan is a perfect example of just the opposite, he ALWAYS helps anyone in need, not secretive at all, a great asset to us all here.