RETURN OF THE JEDI 1983 THEATRICAL VERSION RECONSTRUCTION DVD by Harmy (MKV, NTSC DVD5 AND PAL DVD9 AVAILABLE) — Page 7

I'm definitely interested!  Could you PM me the link(s)?

I just remembered that we talked earlier in the thread about using audio synchronized to the NTSC GOUT with the sped up PAL version of this, so we could have good audio for the NTSC conversion.  Which do I use and where do I find it? :-)

Harmy said:  Or if Chewtobacca says he can't do it that way, I ask anyone who has the NTSC GOUT to please extract and upload the audio somewhere.

That might be best.  Did Belbucus make a mix sychronized to the NTSC GOUT?  I have the NTSC GOUT for ANH and ESB, but I have only the PAL GOUT for ROTJ because its video quality is higher.  While I could speed up the PAL GOUT or use the PDE audio, it would be better not to use a re-encoding of the PAL audio.

Got it!  '93 DC mix PCM   Well, that was easy...  Thanks, DM!

I don't want the combined maximum bitrate to spike and go over 10080 or some players might not play the disc.   (The maximum bitrate of any MPEG-2 stream I encode always appears to read as higher than the value I input, when I view it in DVD Lab Pro's bitrate viewer).  Perhaps I will convert the PCM to AC-3.  I'll ask Belbecus for permission to use this too.

I can make this fit a DVD-5 when I re-encode it: don't worry.  It will look fine.  I think I'll just use Belbucus' stereo PCM re-encoded to AC-3, unless people really want his 5.1 upmix.  :-)

I routinely put a feature film with an AC-3 5.1 track at 448kbps on a DVD-5 -- -- as Adywan did with his ESB restoration -- with no significant detriment to the video (compared to using 2.0 at 192 bps). 

Could you maybe make an AC3 with PAL speedup and the same bitrate you'd be using and up it somewhere for me, so I can use it too, it would be nice to have a higher bitrate audio than the GOUT and to have the same audio on both PAL and NTSC versions.

That's easily done, so yes to both! :-)

This is all assuming Belbucus gives permission.  I'll have to PM him.  Would you want the 5.1 or the 2.0?  I take it your PAL version will be a DVD-9?

I don't think Belbucus will have a problem with it - he synced those rips exactly for things like this.

That's good.  I just like to make sure to avoid treading on people's toes.  :-)

EDIT:  Yep!  Belbucus gives permission.   That's cool then.

Darth Mallwalker said:

 

Chewtobacca said:

I'll just use Belbucus' stereo PCM re-encoded to AC-3, unless people really want his 5.1 upmix. :-)

Wee bit confused here, since Belbucus didn't do a 5.1 (did he?)
Were you thinking of applying prologic algorithms yourself to Belbucus' PCM?

On the off-chance you're looking at the 5.1 upmix posted to usenet 544 days, be aware it's hairy_hen's not Belbucus', and it's obsolete, superseded...

 

You're a wee bit confused because I was even more confused. :-)  I did indeed think that hairy_hen's 5.1 mixes were from Belbucus, and I didn't realize that they had been superseded.  (I wasn't thinking of upmixing the PCM myself.) 

Where can I find satanika's new upmix?  When I have it, I'll speed it up for Harmy so it fits the PAL video.

That's fine.  I have Belbucus' PCM.  I'll convert it to high bitrate AC-3 2.0, speed it up for the PAL version and upload it.  Job done!  :-)

My mixes were put together by Satanika and I by upmixing a slightly edited version of the '93 pcm track from Belbucus, and combining it with a level-adjusted and GOUT-synched LFE channel taken from the special edition, then encoding to ac3 at 448 kbps.  The primary goal was to recreate the 70mm mix of Star Wars in 5.1 (which Harmy used for his PDE version of that film), but I also made 5.1 for the other two movies to go along with it.  Understandably, he decided not to use the one for RotJ, because I added the deleted music in the scene with Obi-wan on Dagobah.  To me the scene is immensely improved by this addition, but obviously not everyone will agree, and since this was not actually a part of any original mix, it isn't really a preservation per se.

It does, however, have an excellent sound, due to the superior balance of the '93 mix over the special edition (the surround does not become deafening every time something moves to the back), and the addition of LFE gives greater impact than a stereo track alone.  It synchs perfectly to the ntsc version of the gout, so it should also work here, assuming this has the same frame count.  For my own part, I'll probably mux it to the ntsc dvd video, but I completely understand wanting to keep things as original as possible, so I recognise that it won't be of interest to everyone.

Darth Mallwalker is correct that the one on usenet is a rough older version.  The perfected track is linked to at the end of this post, if anyone else wants to use it: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-1977-70mm-sound-mix-recreation-stereo-and-51-versions-now-available/post/403997/#TopicPost403997

I'm pretty excited to see what Harmy has come up with.  Between this and adywan's ESB, there's only the original film left to do in high quality.  Out of curiosity, how much colour correction was done for this project?