Possessed Return of the Jedi-* Resurrected!!* — Page 8

He isn't waiting around he is finishing his training so he will successfully rescue his friend (who isn't going anywhere trapped in carbonite).

The last time Luke rushed into a similar situation he was not fully trained, lost a hand and needed rescuing himself.

It makes sense.

Also you have a double dip on the roller coaster.

A nice slow ascent for the first dip followed by the Rancor and Sarlacc action and then another for the finale (the Emperor scenes, the briefing, the landing on Endor) and then the bike chases and all the fighting in the trees, in space and dueling with lightsabers.

The first Vader scene is basically an introduction to the major problem of the whole episode, the Death Star is being replaced (thus annulling the Rebels one big victory) Vader is still after Luke and the Emperor is coming to town.

Vader and prune face only need to make their next appearance after Luke has rescued his friends and dealt with the smaller problem of Jabba.

I'd probably go Vader, Yoda, Chewie, Ben, Leia getting captured, Threepio and Artoo, Luke and the heroes up until Jabba's death and the Emperor and the briefing.

I'd also swap it so Chewie is brought in calmly (it's a bounty hunter bringing in his catch no need to have a fuss until he pulls out the grenade) and then have Threepio come in during the dance routine but that would probably take some effects work which may be beyond what Possessed has in mind.

I think there is potential there.    And while the connection with Leia in mask and Vader has been made before, it would be interesting to add the 'mechanical breathing' sound to Leia's rescue of Han.  One could even quicken it to show a little nervousness when the Carbonite block falls off the wall to the ground.

MTHaslett said:

But Possessed, I thought you were keeping the Chewie capture for after Luke arrived?

Uhm... why would I do that?  That doesn't make any sense at all it's not even like that in the original...

Bingowings said:

He isn't waiting around he is finishing his training so he will successfully rescue his friend (who isn't going anywhere trapped in carbonite).

I was talking about that being an effect of splitting the scene up as yodas death and luke talking to ben as two separate scenes, I was saying that it would seem like he was waiting around after yoda died and then finally talked to ben and then left.

I'm not moving around anything except the degobah scenes.  The droids are still coming before chewbacca.

MTHaslett said:

Possessed said:

MTHaslett said:

But Possessed, I thought you were keeping the Chewie capture for after Luke arrived?

 

Uhm... why would I do that?  That doesn't make any sense at all it's not even like that in the original...

Uhm... The droids come as Luke's gift to Jabba.  How do they get there with his message if they are not with Luke?

Edit: For that matter, how would R2 get there if he's still on Degobah waiting for Luke to talk to Ben?

Oh dear, I didn't think about that.  I guess I could just edit R2 out of degobah. 

Well it's either that or switch it back, because it won't make sense any other way.  I mean even if I switched the scene with chewie around how is that scene supposed to work without threepio?

This might be a problem.  Sure it works fine as far as flow and feel, but moving the yoda scene ahead causes problems I can't think of solutions to.  I mean I'm sure it's possible to edit 3p0 out of the scene with chewie but the results would be so choppy it would ruin it.  I think it might have to stay as it is.

geMTHaslett said:

Possessed said:

Well it's either that or switch it back, because it won't make sense any other way.  I mean even if I switched the scene with chewie around how is that scene supposed to work without threepio?

This might be a problem.  Sure it works fine as far as flow and feel, but moving the yoda scene ahead causes problems I can't think of solutions to.  I mean I'm sure it's possible to edit 3p0 out of the scene with chewie but the results would be so choppy it would ruin it.  I think it might have to stay as it is.

Well, you have to follow your instincts. There are options. I think the way that seems closest to what you want would be: Vader on DS2/Luke Yoda; Luke Ben/Droids on Tatooine etc.  There's no real need to separate the Yoda scene and the Ben scene. 

I've gone over the cuts for editing 3P0 out of the Chewie scene and can suggest how to do it. It is not such a big deal. Most of what he does is repeat Jabba's lines. There are other shots of Jabba and his room from other scenes that can be used as extra coverage.  But the scene would basically be two characters talking through subtitles and plays fine to me. That would allow the scene order where the capture of Chewie comes between teh Yoda scene and the Ben scene.

But a third option I think you should just test before rejecting is having the Emperor arrive after the consecutive Luke/Yoda/Ben scenes. To me this has potential that is only clear when you see it.  This would allow the Droids (and Luke) to arrive before the Chewie gets captured.

What's left to solve?

 

I'm definitely not going to try and edit out 3p0 from that scene.  I mean sure it could be done, but the results couldn't ever be as professional looking as the way it is now and that's the main thing.

The first option is interesting, but do you think wiping directly from luke and ben to the droids on tattoine wwould be too fast?  I mean unless anybody knows of a way to show luke actually leaving degobah to show that he did indeed travel across the galaxy.  I mean I guess I could use the shots of the x-wing leaving degobah in ESB and like flip them and change their speed to seem different but that would be pretty cheap.  I don't think that would work.  Maybe if I changed the coloring of the shots where he's actually leaving degobah in esb in the x-wing, flipped the image and slowed the frame rate down, and then spliced in a different shot of an x-wing flying off into space?  I'm not sure how this would work.  I'll work on a test.

The third option seems interesting, but I'm not sure if I like the idea of having two DS scenes so close together.  It might work, I'll have to see.

I'm about done with this test I've got the x-wing shots lined up and the sfx and music work done, but does anybody know of anywhere I might get a shot of the planet tatooine from space? I looked through EPIV and couldn't find any, they all had something else happening in them.

What I wouldn't give for a dvd-quality deleted scene of luke building his lightsaber.  Now that would be a nice way to slow the pacing down in between going to tatooine and the droids going to jabba's palace!

Possessed said:

I'm about done with this test I've got the x-wing shots lined up and the sfx and music work done, but does anybody know of anywhere I might get a shot of the planet tatooine from space? I looked through EPIV and couldn't find any, they all had something else happening in them.

Maybe somewhere in the PT?  I don't recall any that don't have a ship flying towards or away from the planet, but might be worth a look.

I couldn't find any.  I found a still image that I added some grain and slight motion to, it looks pretty good. 

Oh dear.  It turned out rather Prequel-y.  Maybe because of the music I used.  And it's really fast.  Bascically it sucks but I'm posting it anyway because I spent all afternoon on it.  I might have to just change it back to the original order and move on with my life... involving this edit.

http://rapidshare.com/files/438588715/Flight_to_degobah.avi

Just watched your rapidshare clip - really good. I don't think it's too prequel-esque at all.

I've been playing around with ROTJ myself the last day or so, inspired by the discussion here. Putting the Dagobah scenes at the start do work well, but I've come unstuck with what comes after the flight from Tatooine. I originally thought I'd put the Obi Wan scene at this point, but it makes no sense that Luke would go back to Dagobah for a chat with Obi Wan. So I put that after Yoda's death - but now I'm completely stuck: presumably Luke goes with the others straight to the rebel briefing, but there isn't a single usable shot of him there; if there had just been a head shot of Luke when he greets Leia it would be workable.

Possessed, what is your solution to this? I can't think of any way to make it work; as the protagonist of this film Luke, were he listening to the briefing, would have to be shown at least once during that scene.

I just cut out all the "informalities" after lando and han's discussion and make it just mainly the information the rebels are being given.  It just goes by now that you don't really think about Luke.  After all, it's not like hes running the briefing so there's no real need for him to be an active member of it. We can just assume he's somewhere listening. 

Does anyone else have opinions on the clip? If it works I will use it but I'm just worried it comes across as moving way too fast.

Possessed said:

I just cut out all the "informalities" after lando and han's discussion and make it just mainly the information the rebels are being given.  It just goes by now that you don't really think about Luke.  After all, it's not like hes running the briefing so there's no real need for him to be an active member of it. We can just assume he's somewhere listening. 

 

Does anyone else have opinions on the clip? If it works I will use it but I'm just worried it comes across as moving way too fast.

I don't think there's anything severely wrong with it other than the rough musical transition.  Perhaps it's only because I'm so used to the original suspenseful transition to the rebel briefing.

Which one transition do you find rough?  Because to be quite honest I'm very pleased with how I put the cue from AOTC in to the end of the Ben scene.  Now transitioning to the tatooine scene I agree is very rough and I was planning on dealing with that tomorrow, so I hope that's what your talking about.

The music sounds great!

 I think the clip works fine without the orbital shot of Tatooine.  It is R2 and 3PO out in the desert.  Where else would it be other than Tatooine?  If you wanted to announce it is Tatooine through the music instead of a visual, you could drop in a very small segment of music from the original Star Wars score from when the droids were wandering in the Jundland Wastes.