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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!) — Page 45

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The search trends of each of the various 'Star Wars' formats.  Generally the interest in this bluray set is significantly less then the anticipation of the DVDs, which has been split apart so that this chart would be readable.

Kinda neet to realize that, after being a dead format for over a decade, the laserdisc got some prime attention shortly after the 2004.  But it didn't return when the 2006 GOUT came out...

Also the bluray kinda lies as it includes Clone Wars and other SW non-hexology releases.

 

And why'd everyone ignore my SW displeasure quotes.... boo u suxxx

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adywan said:

I was just watching the ILM: Creating the impossible documentary and they showed a few scenes from TPM. Now this was presented in HD and this was definitely the new TPM transfer that will be on the Blu-Ray. The difference between the existing HD transfer (which is the same as the DVD transfer) and the new one is astounding.

I noticed that the TPM space battle scene shown in the documentary didn't received any kind of treatment. It was like the DVD version.

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Alexrd said:

I noticed that the TPM space battle scene shown in the documentary didn't received any kind of treatment. It was like the DVD version.

Yes, it has received the same treatment. The pink tint is gone and it also looks like Lowry have done the clean up because the colour of the engine glows have been almost lost, the same thing that happens in the 2004 OT set

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Yeah None, the data there is imperfect for a lot of reasons but I don't doubt anyone would disagree with the bigger picture (although, we didn't need graphs to tell us that). Firstly, your 2004/6 results probably show lower than real life, because no one really was searching for "2004 dvd", they would have just entered "star wars dvd", just like people aren't googling "Star Wars blu ray 2011" but simply "star wars blu ray." You get a distortion here though, since "star wars dvd" included the very popular PT DVDs at that time; the BD picture has the same distortion, but because the Clone Wars BDs aren't nearly as hot sellers they won't distort the picture as much.

But you have to keep in mind market penetration. In 2003 and 2004, VHS was effectively dead, and so DVD had about 95% of the market. There were 127.3 million DVD players sold by the end of 2004. http://www.dvdinformation.com/news/press/CES010807.htm

By contrast, Blu Ray has to compete with DVD which continues to dominate, so it's still a niche market, albeit a large and growing one. BD sales represent only 13.4 percent of all home video sales and rentals in 2009, and in 2009 there were only 17 million total playback units (which includes many PS3s, in which case a significant amount of people won't and cannot use them for BDs). http://www.dvdinformation Reports from this year indicate that 3 million more players had been sold as of september, which will probably at least double by Christmas and boxing day, which ought to bring the total units ending 2010 at about 25 million and maybe 23% of the market since it hovers at about 20% now.

If we project a growth of 100% compared to 2010 sales through the year of 2011, which isn't unrealistic, then BDs ought to have something in the range of 40 million player units in households by the time the SW BDs hit streets, with maybe a 35% market share. Compared to the 127 million DVD players of 2004, that's only 1/3 the sales capabilities. So of course only 1/3 the amount of people would have any practical interest in them.

The DVDs were also released at the height of the SW craziness during the prequel era, and also featured new restoration efforts and extra footage in the films themselves.

So, I guess what I am getting at is, if you take what the DVDs did, subtract 15% to account for hype, and then cut that number in three, that's what is reasonable to expect from Star Wars Blu Ray.

For a comparison, the 2004 set did about $100 million on the first day. This year, Avatar sold 1.2 BD units, which if we average it at about $25 a unit, is $30 million, about 1/3 the 2004 figures. The new BDs will cost at least twice that much, will will make sales figures easier but also the price will scare away some people. With the increase in household units and market share into 2011 though, I still think the proportional figures of 1/3 2004 will hold true.

Trust me, if an idiot like me can put together these figures, I'm sure those accountants at LFL have looked at this logically. Relative to the market, the BDs will do the same as the DVDs, and without Lowry work or new transfers or new SE changes will only cost them a fraction of the production price, even with new docs and deleted scenes.

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Adywan the new transfer of TPM based on the screenshots you've shown from the ILM doc. looks amazing. And after looking at serveral times the 2004 SE OT Transfers does indeed look bad. Sorry I ever aruged with you about it.

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Question to people who are familiar with colors and TV calibration:

If I buy new HDTV with THX certification (that means with an option to enable THX color mode) what will the colors of the 2004 set looks like? Will Darth Vader lightsaber still be pink? And will others color errors be present too?

Is here someone who has calibrated his TV/monitor with THX and saw Star Wars DVD set?


Can someone (maybe Adywan) explain me the whole thing?

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adywan said:

Alexrd said:

I noticed that the TPM space battle scene shown in the documentary didn't received any kind of treatment. It was like the DVD version.

Yes, it has received the same treatment. The pink tint is gone and it also looks like Lowry have done the clean up because the colour of the engine glows have been almost lost, the same thing that happens in the 2004 OT set

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8048/battletpm.th.jpg

What I meant was that scene was not sharp enough like the Mos Espa screenshot comparison you posted before.

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Jacobss said:


Question to people who are familiar with colors and TV calibration:

If I buy new HDTV with THX certification (that means with an option to enable THX color mode) what will the colors of the 2004 set looks like? Will Darth Vader lightsaber still be pink? And will others color errors be present too?

Is here someone who has calibrated his TV/monitor with THX and saw Star Wars DVD set?


Can someone (maybe Adywan) explain me the whole thing?
No amount of settings on TVs could fix the colors. You'd have to go in scene by scene to fix them, which Ady had to do for his AVCHD releases of 4 and 5.

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Boycott.
That's what I'll be doing to this blu-ray release because it's not the OOT.

George says it'll cost too much to remaster the OOT.
Sure, it'll cost a lot of money but that's maybe like .05% of what he's made on these movies and their 10,000 re-releases, box-sets, toys, dolls, shirts, lunchboxes, mugs, pajamas, pizza hut tie-ins?

If you love the OOT more than the SE's like I do, then when these blu-rays hit the shelves, May the Force be with You, to NOT buy them.

Don't worry he'll still have enough money (that .05% of his wealth) to apply towards remastering the OOT's for blu-ray release should he ever stop being a hypocritical, old clod.

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HelpMeObiWanKenobi said:

Boycott.
That's what I'll be doing to this blu-ray release because it's not the OOT.

George says it'll cost too much to remaster the OOT.
Sure, it'll cost a lot of money but that's maybe like .05% of what he's made on these movies and their 10,000 re-releases, box-sets, toys, dolls, shirts, lunchboxes, mugs, pajamas, pizza hut tie-ins?

If you love the OOT more than the SE's like I do, then when these blu-rays hit the shelves, May the Force be with You, to NOT buy them.

Don't worry he'll still have enough money (that .05% of his wealth) to apply towards remastering the OOT's for blu-ray release should he ever stop being a hypocritical, old clod.

20th Century Fox already spent $20 million back in the early 1990s restoring the original elements for the 1995 videos, no? Lucas is a liar.

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Well, this thing will be the first time the precious complete saga is sold together. It will be interesting to see what they try to sell after that if the Blade Runner treatment is still considered to be asking too much.

The weirdest thing is that LFL (and a lot of the fans) consider deleted scenes and outtakes and various other scraps from old boxes (that will be watched once) are more worthy of effort than the actual movies.

 

 

 

 

 

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To have deleted scenes in better quality than the actual films.

Bizarro indeed. :)

 

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Actually, the deleted scenes might look better because they weren't copied endlessly and handled as much. By simply being left alone, they might not have suffered as badly.

I agree with the Don't Buy it. Aren't the deleted scenes from the prequels still on youtube? You know they will be posted eventually and I'm sure you could rent the blu-ray to watch them once.

Other than that, It's A TRAP!

If the OT does indeed use the same 2004 master, then that should be pointed out as much as possible and emailed to people like Bill Hunt of the Digital Bits with screencaps for comparison.

 

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I was actually serious in my statement, because the versions included in this upcoming set is not the actual films.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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I will buy it when I have a Blu Ray driver. Mainly because of TPM and all the extras.

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msycamore said:

I was actually serious in my statement, because the versions included in this upcoming set is not the actual films.

Exactly, the trims will look better simply because they'll be from an HD 2011 source, not a tape from 1993.

I am curious to see if the other prequels get a fly-on -the -wall Making Of, like the one for Phantom. (and if not, how come?)

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Alexrd said:

I will buy it when I have a Blu Ray driver.

A what now?

I assume you mean a player, but I've never heard this term before.  Is it a language issue?

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I think he means drive, as in CD-drive only for blu-ray.

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Oh, a Blu-ray drive.

Maybe he's got a drive on his computer and just can't find the right driver for it? :p

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TV's Frink said:

Alexrd said:

I will buy it when I have a Blu Ray driver.

A what now?

I assume you mean a player, but I've never heard this term before.  Is it a language issue?

Yes, I meant drive. Bloody R key...

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doubleofive said:

 

No amount of settings on TVs could fix the colors. You'd have to go in scene by scene to fix them, which Ady had to do for his AVCHD releases of 4 and 5.

 

Yes; I have tried to tweak colors by changing the settings on my TV before but it doesn't work well at all.  The colors of these Blu-rays will look as bad as the 2004 DVDs.  What I don't understand is how Adywan knows what the colors will look like on a TV when he is viewing them on a PC in RGB.

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But TVs use RGB as well, don't they? When I did the colour correction on Jedi, the colours looked pretty much the same on my monitor and on my TV, only on the TV the scale of colours was a bit richer.

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No, TVs use YPbPr, a variation of YUV.

As long as you make sure your monitor is calibrated to 601 SMPTE bars (16=black, 235=white, as opposed to computer RGB which is 0=black, 255=white), you shouldn't have a problem when coloring video on a computer.

Of course, it helps if you're using an external, SMPTE-bar-calibrated YPbPr monitor to view your color work.

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TV's Frink said:

 

Maybe he's got a drive on his computer and just can't find the right driver for it? :p

Fuck, man, I don't miss that shit. 

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avoidz said:

20th Century Fox already spent $20 million back in the early 1990s restoring the original elements for the 1995 videos, no? Lucas is a liar.

Yes, he is. Do not underestimate the Power of the Emperor.

Using the force, I have seen the future. I am walking in Wal Mart and the blu-ray's of the 2004 SE 'originial' trilogy are on the shelf and being played on HDTV's for demonstration. Tempting...

Do not underestimate the Power of the Dark Side.

Tempting because they indeed look stunning, but wait...there's a cgi thing, and another cgi thing I don't like, I think I'm walking away because I never liked all that CGI....but wait, here's an unaltered bit...oh man that looks cool that Millennium Falcon flying into that "asteroid" with the music....wow. 

But I'm strong with the force, I will resist joining the Emperor and supporting his evil ways. Plus, I've been watching those bonus discs stretched out to fit my TV, low resolution yes, stereo sound yes, not fitting for the modern age, yes, but pure in every way to the original STAR WARS freakin' trilogy, Thankfully YES.

It'll have to do, until Darth Lucas, or Emperor Lucas, or whoever George is, is brought back to the Light Side of the Force and does what's right: Releases all versions on blu, as a testament to the progress of the films instead of the elimination of them.