TheBoost said:
haljordan28 said:
Lucas claims ..at least this is what he says NOW. that the jedi fought that way in the OT bnecause vader was weak and a machine and luke was untrained and ben was an old man and that the jedi in PT were in their prime and fought flashy because of that. well this is another example of lucas blowing smoke up ppls ass;s and here is why
for one the whole ben was an old man argument maskles no sense..yoda was old dooku was old.. that didnt stop them from jumpoing around like ninja turltes..... general grivious was all machine just abiout and it didnt stop him.....the youngling in epuisoide 3 was young and mostly untrained and he looked like a ninja turtle also...this is all mopre LUCAS biullshit trying to excusxe his prequel junk...
heres the facts on the dueling styles....ion the OT era..lucas always claimed that the jedi were a mix of merlin the wizard and the knights of the round table.....hence him using old europeon style swod fighting....the same style sword fighting you find in braveheart, gladiator, lord of the rings, hifglander..etc..etc and that style was befitting of a jedi knight....
enter the junkquels,,,,think about what was popular at this time..martial arts, ninjas, pokemon, yugi oh..etc..etc lucas changed the dueling style to eastern based martial arts style. the saber duels in the pt looks just like sword fighting in any NINJA film or samuari film. sure its pretty and it looks good and i actually like it in martial arts films but not for star wars. it looks cherograhped and rehearsed. there is nothing real about it.
the dueling in the OT has a sense of realsim to it. in episode 5 when luke appraches vader he ignites his lightsaber...and takes a swing...vader blocks it calmpy...luke takes a step towards vader...vader slowly tkes a step back in a defensive move.... if this had been the prequels luke would have done a back flip up the steps and spinned around 4 times before even swinging on vader....vader would have done three flips and spins and twirlled his saber around 5 times before striking back at luke.
"The Truth" is a complicated thing, ESPECIALLY when you're talking about things George Lucas has said. I question any argument that includes quotes from Lucas as a basis.
It also seems odd that you use evidence from the PT (Dooku and Yoda lightsabering) to discredit the OT claim that Obi was old and out of practice.
The dueling styling in the OT changed considerably during the trilogy. Compare Obi/Darth to Luke/Darth II. At first Lucas insisted the lightsabers had to be worked two handed, but the fight choreographers convinced him to allow more one handed moves.
It seems to me that dramatically it makes sense that the duels are so different.
Obi/Darth= Old Man vs. Cyborg
Luke/Darth=Rookie vs. Cyborg who doesn't want to kill him
Maul/Qui/Obi= Sith Killing Machine vs. Two Jedi in their Prime
Obi/Anakin= Two best Jedi in the galaxy kicking ass.
I don't need Lucas to tell me any of those things. They seem obvious from the movies.
thats all nonsense.
the lightsaber duels in the OT were cherographed by europeon fencers and swordsman. just like braveheart and gladiator and lord of the rings. all you have to do is look at the stances and the behind the scenes.
for the PT lucas used asian based martial arts. if you want to buy in to lucas bullshit of cyborg vs old man lol you go right ahead. the duels in the OT looked the way it did cause they were choreographed that way and meant to be that way and simple.
you really think whenb lucas filmed the new hope battle he said im gonna make this battle look weak and later on ill make them look fancy and smooth because ben is old man and vader is a cyborg. lol.
this is just more of lucas bs to try and explain his junkquels.
like i said yoda and dooku and many others on the council were OLD. grivious was a cyborg.....none oif that prevented them from jumping around like ninjas. keep trying to excuse the garbage. the bottom line is he changed it and then gave a bullshit spin story to try and excuse and in turn belittles the OT in the process.
vader was a bad ass in the OT> he wasent crippled he wasent burdened by being part machine. he was a bad ass period. and he was viewed as such up till the PT now its hard to even look at vader and not laugh when you think abnout the little whinning baby brat under neath who was so dumb and stupid he was brainwashed and be;ieved the most stupid of lies.
but of course we have so CALLED fans like your self who defend that crap. more power to you. you are part of the problem. part of what is bringing starwars down.
prequel lovers needs to take their junkquels and their special editions and form a society all their own because to me they are not part of the REAL star wars fan base. the fan base who wants to hold on to the truth and not believe in and back up the lies that lucas and company spread.
true fans want to preserve the truth. not hold on to LIES and BULLSHIT